Conservatisim, Populisim or Nationalisim

Anthony Butcher · 22-11-2004, 12:24 PM

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internatitionalisim and the moneylenders

Sounds like something from a Shakespeare play. I believe that the current term is financiers. And let's leave it at that please.

Albion · 22-11-2004, 12:29 PM

BNP say they will stop all further immigration INTO phpbb_Britan.
But I hear other stories from NF leaders who claim to have spoke to BNP officicals.
They say they WILL get rid of all those who should not be here.
Then they talk about coaxing and persuading them to leave with financial incentives.
I would be happy to explain our own policies(NF & WNP).
If you post me to tell me which forum to speak on then I will.

deanuwe · 22-11-2004, 12:51 PM

i think that asking 'ethnics' to leave Briatain for financial gain or not would be catastrophic to our economy and health..i shouldnt even have to explain why?, yes i believe we should limit the amount of people imagrating INTO phpbb_britain, but we live in a multiculturalist world and mulitculturalism brings a lot of good to this country, turfing 'non-british' citizens out is in MY VIEW insane!

Anthony Butcher · 22-11-2004, 01:11 PM

Even Alan Milburn is suggesting that Labour should copy the UKIP/Tory policy of limited immigration numbers now. However, the aim of the policy is to maintain the population level, not reduce it as the BNP's policy would do.

The main issue here though is that it is simply wrong to discriminate against people because of their race. A British citizen is a British citizen. Full stop.

mkpdavies · 22-11-2004, 01:13 PM

You are in the wrong place if you think UKIP are in anyway like the BNP. Of course we will agree on certain issues, but if it is a white only Britain that you dream of, then stick to the BNP as is your right. I believe most Brits have moved on from judging people because of the colour of their skin.

I was very happy to see how the country rallied around our coloured players at the game in spain. A real sense of embaressment and disgust swept the nation, as it should when people who have been born and grown up in Britian, representing our country should expect.

We don't want to limit imigration for racist reasons, we just want to keep this country strong and peaceful. If you overload a system then that system is no good to anyone.

Albion · 22-11-2004, 01:23 PM

I want this system to be good for us.
I don't care about the rest or the world.
We should work with the rest of the world on global issiues such as Global Warming ect. but other than that the principal should be to protect the nation state- from without and from within.

mkpdavies · 22-11-2004, 01:31 PM

That is a pretty human response. Everyone has it in them to make sure number one is O.K first and then worry about the rest.

I think a strong, well working Britain is not only good for us, but the rest of the world too. Certainly throwing away all this country has worked for and acheived, to become part of a corrupt, politians wet dream, that is the EU, has to be madness.

The BNP would damage this country if, God forbid, they managed to get power. The world would shun us, our own people would be very suspicious of each other and good people would be persecuted because of the colour of their skin. The BNP say they are only looking out for the white person, if they were really behind Britain they would back all those that love and support this nation, no matter what the colour of their skin was.

Albion · 22-11-2004, 01:48 PM

I have to disagee with what you say on the BNP I don't see the BNP policies on immigration as racist and I don't see how BNP policy as offensive seeing as though the only ones that would be deported are the illegal immigrants and their policies on law and order are even better because no one will be treated any more favorubly than the next
(like 3 out of 21 race rioters arrested being white)
I support capital punishment and life sentances for drug dealers too.
I don't belive the scare stories either about the BNP being goose stepping Nazis.
I am A Skinhead myself And In my home town of Todmorden I know BNP members who look more like RESPECT members than BNP.
If you want skins then come to one of our WNP meets.
A refuge for all BNP members kicked out for having short hair.

Anthony Butcher · 22-11-2004, 01:58 PM

I have to say that I wasn't really aware of any substantial difference between the BNP, the National Front or the White National Pride.

Now I have a Monty Python picture in my head. Only a lot less funny.

mkpdavies · 22-11-2004, 02:01 PM

I think the BNP certainly have softened their retoric of late. I just find it very hard to remove the images of the BNP marching down the streets in Greenwich, screaming abuse at anyone who wasn't white and chanting BNP, rights for whites.

Nick Griffin is certainly trying to put a more acceptable face on the BNP. I guess preventing skinheads being seen as members is just one way of doing this. Pretty prejudice in itself, but image is all important in todays politics.

I also look at a parties history though, as the foundations on which that party were built on, can give you a real idea of what the driving principles of that party are. Maybe the BNP have changed, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. For that reason I choose to support a party that is built on the foundations of removing us from the EU, UKIP.

22-11-2004, 12:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
deanuwe Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: England Posts: 6	i think that asking 'ethnics' to leave Briatain for financial gain or not would be catastrophic to our economy and health..i shouldnt even have to explain why?, yes i believe we should limit the amount of people imagrating INTO phpbb_britain, but we live in a multiculturalist world and mulitculturalism brings a lot of good to this country, turfing 'non-british' citizens out is in MY VIEW insane! __________________ \'I am then, in the strict sense only a thing that thinks; that is, I am mind, or intelligence, or intellect, or reason...\'

22-11-2004, 01:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	You are in the wrong place if you think UKIP are in anyway like the BNP. Of course we will agree on certain issues, but if it is a white only Britain that you dream of, then stick to the BNP as is your right. I believe most Brits have moved on from judging people because of the colour of their skin. I was very happy to see how the country rallied around our coloured players at the game in spain. A real sense of embaressment and disgust swept the nation, as it should when people who have been born and grown up in Britian, representing our country should expect. We don't want to limit imigration for racist reasons, we just want to keep this country strong and peaceful. If you overload a system then that system is no good to anyone. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

22-11-2004, 01:31 PM	#17 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	That is a pretty human response. Everyone has it in them to make sure number one is O.K first and then worry about the rest. I think a strong, well working Britain is not only good for us, but the rest of the world too. Certainly throwing away all this country has worked for and acheived, to become part of a corrupt, politians wet dream, that is the EU, has to be madness. The BNP would damage this country if, God forbid, they managed to get power. The world would shun us, our own people would be very suspicious of each other and good people would be persecuted because of the colour of their skin. The BNP say they are only looking out for the white person, if they were really behind Britain they would back all those that love and support this nation, no matter what the colour of their skin was. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

22-11-2004, 02:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I think the BNP certainly have softened their retoric of late. I just find it very hard to remove the images of the BNP marching down the streets in Greenwich, screaming abuse at anyone who wasn't white and chanting BNP, rights for whites. Nick Griffin is certainly trying to put a more acceptable face on the BNP. I guess preventing skinheads being seen as members is just one way of doing this. Pretty prejudice in itself, but image is all important in todays politics. I also look at a parties history though, as the foundations on which that party were built on, can give you a real idea of what the driving principles of that party are. Maybe the BNP have changed, but I wouldn't want to bet on it. For that reason I choose to support a party that is built on the foundations of removing us from the EU, UKIP. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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22-11-2004, 12:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Albion Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	BNP say they will stop all further immigration INTO phpbb_Britan. But I hear other stories from NF leaders who claim to have spoke to BNP officicals. They say they WILL get rid of all those who should not be here. Then they talk about coaxing and persuading them to leave with financial incentives. I would be happy to explain our own policies(NF & WNP). If you post me to tell me which forum to speak on then I will.

22-11-2004, 01:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,821 Party: None	Even Alan Milburn is suggesting that Labour should copy the UKIP/Tory policy of limited immigration numbers now. However, the aim of the policy is to maintain the population level, not reduce it as the BNP's policy would do. The main issue here though is that it is simply wrong to discriminate against people because of their race. A British citizen is a British citizen. Full stop.

22-11-2004, 01:23 PM	#16 (permalink)
Albion Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	I want this system to be good for us. I don't care about the rest or the world. We should work with the rest of the world on global issiues such as Global Warming ect. but other than that the principal should be to protect the nation state- from without and from within.

22-11-2004, 01:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
Albion Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	I have to disagee with what you say on the BNP I don't see the BNP policies on immigration as racist and I don't see how BNP policy as offensive seeing as though the only ones that would be deported are the illegal immigrants and their policies on law and order are even better because no one will be treated any more favorubly than the next (like 3 out of 21 race rioters arrested being white) I support capital punishment and life sentances for drug dealers too. I don't belive the scare stories either about the BNP being goose stepping Nazis. I am A Skinhead myself And In my home town of Todmorden I know BNP members who look more like RESPECT members than BNP. If you want skins then come to one of our WNP meets. A refuge for all BNP members kicked out for having short hair.

22-11-2004, 01:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,821 Party: None	I have to say that I wasn't really aware of any substantial difference between the BNP, the National Front or the White National Pride. Now I have a Monty Python picture in my head. Only a lot less funny.