Hunting ban will start in three months

Anthony Butcher · 19-11-2004, 03:04 AM

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The Parliament Act was used last night to force the Hunting Bill on to the Statute Book.

The rarely-used Act was invoked by the Speaker to end the deadlock between peers and MPs after a day of drama and confusion.

Michael Martin told MPs that the Act was being applied for only the fourth time since 1949 in order to send the Bill for Royal Assent.

The centuries-old practice of hunting with hounds will be unlawful in England and Wales from February 18 next year.

I guess that a February general election is less likely

GTFC_Adam · 19-11-2004, 06:57 AM

I, for one, am delighted with this long overdue news.

Bodach · 19-11-2004, 12:23 PM

A lot of brave talk from the pro-hunting lobby about there not being enough police to stop hunting etc. Perhaps there won't but there will be enough lawyers and judges to impose crippling fines on landowners and hunt office-bearers.
I heard a suggestion today I find quite interesting. Muzzle the dogs and carry on having fun rides and social occasions. All the fun of the chase without any nastiness at the end. A fine compromise?

jp · 19-11-2004, 01:30 PM

I think the Hunting lobby are overstating their support and if they break the law that will diminish even further.

The fact that they are so fully supported by the Tories show what a death - wish they have these days!

johnwest · 19-11-2004, 01:45 PM

If the Labourites were really concerned about animal welfare they would ban battery farms. I think it has more to do with attacking those who represent everything that Labour dislikes about Britain. I can remember one Labour MP claiming those who hunted were 'rascist' because members of the ethnic minorities were not involved in most hunts. Why not ban fishing as well? Experts say it causes fish pain. Is it because many Labour MPs fish? I don't hunt by the way.

mjwilcox · 19-11-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by johnwest

If the Labourites were really concerned about animal welfare they would ban battery farms. I think it has more to do with attacking those who represent everything that Labour dislikes about Britain. I can remember one Labour MP claiming those who hunted were 'rascist' because members of the ethnic minorities were not involved in most hunts. Why not ban fishing as well? Experts say it causes fish pain. Is it because many Labour MPs fish? I don't hunt by the way.

http://www.labouranimalwelfaresociety.org/
Don't know their involvement with Labour but I would imagine Labour would be keen on their ideas. They are a Animal Rights group and I would imagine are involved with AR terrorism. They are working towards the new Animal Welfare Bill in which an Early Day Motion (which to be honest I do not have a clue on, it's named EDM 1777) is currently being fed to MPs in an attempt to ban animal fairs. The majority of those who have currently signed appear to be Labour MPs.

http://edm.ais.co.uk/weblink/html/motion.html/ref=1777
Thats a link to the EDM 1777 if you are interested. A brief note on their claims upon most exotics coming from wild, that although this may be different with birds, a very high majority of Reptiles at shows are actually captive bred.

Carl Faulkner · 19-11-2004, 04:30 PM

Not one fox will be saved. They will be shot instead.

Isn't it strange how the anti-fox hunting MPs are strangely silent on the slaughter of animals for religious reasons.

Labour's attitude to the rural community (of which I am not one) was best summed up at a Labour conference 2 or 3 years ago when the farming community demonstrated outside (BSE perhaps).

The demonstration had passed and John Prescott was about to be interviewed ( the seaside and promanade in the background). There just happened to be a solitary tractor chugging along in the background when he was asked about the protest. Pointing out the solitary tractor, it was his attitude and sneering look on his face which said everything about him and Labour's attitude towards a part of Britain which their social engineering has found hard to breach.

I thought, "What a dispicable man" (and still do).

Anthony Butcher · 21-11-2004, 03:36 AM

Telegraph Article

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A member of the Government admits today that the hunting ban is driven by old-fashioned class warfare and is, at its heart, a bitter battle for control of Britain.

Writing in The Telegraph, Peter Bradley, the parliamentary private secretary to Alun Michael, the rural affairs minister, reveals that the real reason that Labour MPs feel so strongly about the ban is because it is aimed at killing 'the old order' and is the first time in history that a Labour government has taken on 'the gentry'.

Mr Bradley says: 'We ought at last to own up to it: the struggle over the Bill was not just about animal welfare and personal freedom: it was class war.'

The MP for The Wrekin adds that it was the 'toffs' who declared war on Labour by resisting the ban, but agrees that both sides are battling for power, not animal welfare.

'This was not about the politics of envy but the polities of power. Ultimately it's about who governs Britain.'

C_steam · 21-11-2004, 09:13 AM

Latest copy of 'Country' (I think is title-I only saw on news stand briefly) has front page headline:

'Shooting will be next'

Reading the comments in the above post leads me to suspect that 'Country' is right.

Nationalist · 21-11-2004, 09:34 AM

While I support a ban on hunting with hounds (shooting them is OK) I also think they should ban halal and kosher meat.

No chance of that though, cant risk upsetting the minorities :roll:

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19-11-2004, 06:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
GTFC_Adam Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 276	I, for one, am delighted with this long overdue news.

19-11-2004, 12:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bodach Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Scotland - Alba Posts: 92	A lot of brave talk from the pro-hunting lobby about there not being enough police to stop hunting etc. Perhaps there won't but there will be enough lawyers and judges to impose crippling fines on landowners and hunt office-bearers. I heard a suggestion today I find quite interesting. Muzzle the dogs and carry on having fun rides and social occasions. All the fun of the chase without any nastiness at the end. A fine compromise?

19-11-2004, 01:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
jp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,000	I think the Hunting lobby are overstating their support and if they break the law that will diminish even further. The fact that they are so fully supported by the Tories show what a death - wish they have these days!

19-11-2004, 01:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
johnwest Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Suffolk Posts: 827 Party: UKIP	If the Labourites were really concerned about animal welfare they would ban battery farms. I think it has more to do with attacking those who represent everything that Labour dislikes about Britain. I can remember one Labour MP claiming those who hunted were 'rascist' because members of the ethnic minorities were not involved in most hunts. Why not ban fishing as well? Experts say it causes fish pain. Is it because many Labour MPs fish? I don't hunt by the way.

19-11-2004, 04:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Carl Faulkner Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 352	Not one fox will be saved. They will be shot instead. Isn't it strange how the anti-fox hunting MPs are strangely silent on the slaughter of animals for religious reasons. Labour's attitude to the rural community (of which I am not one) was best summed up at a Labour conference 2 or 3 years ago when the farming community demonstrated outside (BSE perhaps). The demonstration had passed and John Prescott was about to be interviewed ( the seaside and promanade in the background). There just happened to be a solitary tractor chugging along in the background when he was asked about the protest. Pointing out the solitary tractor, it was his attitude and sneering look on his face which said everything about him and Labour's attitude towards a part of Britain which their social engineering has found hard to breach. I thought, "What a dispicable man" (and still do).

21-11-2004, 09:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Anwhere far away from the cabalistas Posts: 7,455	Latest copy of 'Country' (I think is title-I only saw on news stand briefly) has front page headline: 'Shooting will be next' Reading the comments in the above post leads me to suspect that 'Country' is right.

21-11-2004, 09:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
Nationalist Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 82	While I support a ban on hunting with hounds (shooting them is OK) I also think they should ban halal and kosher meat. No chance of that though, cant risk upsetting the minorities :roll: