Compulsory ID cards from 2007.

Anthony Butcher · 03-11-2004, 04:43 AM

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ID cards will be phased in from 2007 when they will be issued automatically to anyone renewing their passport. It will not be an option to decline to have an ID card and details of recipients will be entered INTO phpbb_a national identity register.

I wonder what will happen when a signficant proportion of the population refuse to carry ID cards?

Has there even been a vote on ID cards?

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When he announced his proposals a year ago Mr Blunkett said crime, fraud, terrorism and illegal immigration would be curbed by a national ID scheme.

Apparently an ID card can cure cancer, end world poverty and make you a cup of tea in the morning as well.

C_steam · 03-11-2004, 12:18 PM

An article in the mail over the weekend (sorry, I can't reference it) also talked about the additional laws to be introduced with the ID card. i.e refusing to give information will be an offence, as will not informing of the loss of card or any change in your circumstance.

this needs fighting strongly

Tom Wilde · 03-11-2004, 12:35 PM

I think we could win this one. It doesn't take a very big proportion of the population refusing to carry ID cards before the whole thing starts to look ridiculous. How many of us can they lock up?

Anthony Butcher · 03-11-2004, 12:41 PM

We could have a competition to see who could register the most "lost cards" each year.

I am not sure about whether a political party should be seen to condone illegal behaviour though. Perhaps we should focus on reversing the decision by converting MPs to our stance.

The problem is that Blunkett is able to maintain the image of being tough on crime and immigration, which will always enable him to hold the high ground against "liberals" such as ourselves. The party needs to reverse that public perception and make such authoritarian measures INTO phpbb_something unacceptable to the general public.

I am not talking about a smear campaign, I am talking about a very tightly controlled media campaign that slowly builds up the attack. By having repeated references placed in the media using specifically chosen phrases, it is possible to change the way things are perceived; Labour do it all of the time.

mkpdavies · 03-11-2004, 12:57 PM

The added bonus is we all have to pay for the damned thing. It's a major **** up by a blundering idiot of a home secretary. He is a bully by nature and thinks he can steamroller his half baked ideas through without a whimper.

They probably would have got away with it if they announced a smart card that would combine passport, driving license, even credit cards etc. That would have saved costs, and people wouldn't have seen much difference.

The fact that the government are changing the way society functions by effectivley making people it's inventory, would probably not been questioned.

I refuse to accept the state owns me, and I will join in refusing a card. I will have a long wait though, as I don't need to renew my passport for 9 years! Of course this phasing in of the card makes it easier to bully the people INTO phpbb_taking it, divide and conquer always does!

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,150 Party: Libertarian Party	The added bonus is we all have to pay for the damned thing. It's a major **** up by a blundering idiot of a home secretary. He is a bully by nature and thinks he can steamroller his half baked ideas through without a whimper. They probably would have got away with it if they announced a smart card that would combine passport, driving license, even credit cards etc. That would have saved costs, and people wouldn't have seen much difference. The fact that the government are changing the way society functions by effectivley making people it's inventory, would probably not been questioned. I refuse to accept the state owns me, and I will join in refusing a card. I will have a long wait though, as I don't need to renew my passport for 9 years! Of course this phasing in of the card makes it easier to bully the people INTO phpbb_taking it, divide and conquer always does! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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03-11-2004, 12:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,797	An article in the mail over the weekend (sorry, I can't reference it) also talked about the additional laws to be introduced with the ID card. i.e refusing to give information will be an offence, as will not informing of the loss of card or any change in your circumstance. this needs fighting strongly

03-11-2004, 12:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,914	I think we could win this one. It doesn't take a very big proportion of the population refusing to carry ID cards before the whole thing starts to look ridiculous. How many of us can they lock up?

03-11-2004, 12:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,193 Party: None	We could have a competition to see who could register the most "lost cards" each year. I am not sure about whether a political party should be seen to condone illegal behaviour though. Perhaps we should focus on reversing the decision by converting MPs to our stance. The problem is that Blunkett is able to maintain the image of being tough on crime and immigration, which will always enable him to hold the high ground against "liberals" such as ourselves. The party needs to reverse that public perception and make such authoritarian measures INTO phpbb_something unacceptable to the general public. I am not talking about a smear campaign, I am talking about a very tightly controlled media campaign that slowly builds up the attack. By having repeated references placed in the media using specifically chosen phrases, it is possible to change the way things are perceived; Labour do it all of the time.