Point of order

C_steam · 30-10-2004, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Farage wants to meet the EDP

Really? I thought Farage was Leader of the UKIP MEP group. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the EDP has any MEP's.

Surely the EDP should meet with the 'leader' of UKIP to discuss any issues - a chap called Knapman apparently. :wink:

mkpdavies · 30-10-2004, 11:56 PM

True, but perhaps Knapman going in straight away is too much. Send in one of the senior guys to prepare the ground for Kanpman to seal the deal!

Johnny Hates Jazz · 31-10-2004, 09:43 PM

Just to confirm that previous contact with UKIP and the EDP has been both in East Anglia, and between the respectively National Chairman.

Previously the main stumbling block on co-operation has been the desire of the EDP to have an English Parliament, and the desire of UKIP to reverse devolution in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Many English Democrats members were Unionists before 1997, however now that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have been given devolution it seems

1 Unlikely that the process of devolution will be reversed.

2 Only fair that England should also have its own Parliament (or the House of Commons converted to an English Parliament, by removal of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs) - currently England is constitutionally disadvantaged.

3 Finally a Federal UK/Britain could then be created with a Fully Elected 2nd reviewing chamber (British Senate) reviewing for the respective Country Parliaments) - the Brisith Senate would also deal with all common policy for defence, foreign policy etc - the British Senate elected by Proportionate Representation.

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As none of the other 'main' British Parties are leading on this, then if UKIP adopted for the domestic General Election, then it is certainly something that would grab the publics attention !

mkpdavies · 01-11-2004, 02:24 PM

Can't we put aside this differences for a later day. If we get swallowed up by the EU, the arguments above will be defunct. I am still undecided myself and would be open to debate on it. However I am more concerned about the EU now and want to focus on winning that battle before looking to put any icing on the cake!

rjt · 01-11-2004, 02:30 PM

I agree with that, it is the core belief that we should withdraw from the EU that unites us, any decision on an English Parlament would need to be endorsed by a referendum in my opinon and so should not be a major point of dispute.

you kip · 01-11-2004, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by English Democrat

Just to confirm that previous contact with UKIP and the EDP has been both in East Anglia, and between the respectively National Chairman.

Previously the main stumbling block on co-operation has been the desire of the EDP to have an English Parliament, and the desire of UKIP to reverse devolution in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Many English Democrats members were Unionists before 1997, however now that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have been given devolution it seems

1 Unlikely that the process of devolution will be reversed.

2 Only fair that England should also have its own Parliament (or the House of Commons converted to an English Parliament, by removal of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs) - currently England is constitutionally disadvantaged.

3 Finally a Federal UK/Britain could then be created with a Fully Elected 2nd reviewing chamber (British Senate) reviewing for the respective Country Parliaments) - the Brisith Senate would also deal with all common policy for defence, foreign policy etc - the British Senate elected by Proportionate Representation.

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As none of the other 'main' British Parties are leading on this, then if UKIP adopted for the domestic General Election, then it is certainly something that would grab the publics attention !

Please comment about this idea it comes from a 'work in progress'

Parliamentary reform

We support devolution to Scotland & Wales and will institute an English Parliament. We will achieve this at no expense by excluding Scottish & welsh M.P.s from consideration of those matters exclusive to England within the U.K. Parliament.

We would curtail the power of the prime minister and return to cabinet government.

We would have fixed term parliaments and only allow a prime minister to serve two terms or 8 years whichever was the lesser.

We would reduce the amount of Members of Parliament by having single M.P.s to serve most towns & cities. This target would be about 400 M.P.s
We would reform the second chamber on non party lines and involve ordinary people by
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Direct election of one third - not being affiliated to any political party

Random selection ( similar to jury service) of volunteers to serve 1 year and paid £50,000

Local authority representation by nomination

30-10-2004, 11:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,150 Party: Libertarian Party	True, but perhaps Knapman going in straight away is too much. Send in one of the senior guys to prepare the ground for Kanpman to seal the deal! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

01-11-2004, 02:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,150 Party: Libertarian Party	Can't we put aside this differences for a later day. If we get swallowed up by the EU, the arguments above will be defunct. I am still undecided myself and would be open to debate on it. However I am more concerned about the EU now and want to focus on winning that battle before looking to put any icing on the cake! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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31-10-2004, 09:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,978 Party: English Democrats	Just to confirm that previous contact with UKIP and the EDP has been both in East Anglia, and between the respectively National Chairman. Previously the main stumbling block on co-operation has been the desire of the EDP to have an English Parliament, and the desire of UKIP to reverse devolution in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Many English Democrats members were Unionists before 1997, however now that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have been given devolution it seems 1 Unlikely that the process of devolution will be reversed. 2 Only fair that England should also have its own Parliament (or the House of Commons converted to an English Parliament, by removal of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs) - currently England is constitutionally disadvantaged. 3 Finally a Federal UK/Britain could then be created with a Fully Elected 2nd reviewing chamber (British Senate) reviewing for the respective Country Parliaments) - the Brisith Senate would also deal with all common policy for defence, foreign policy etc - the British Senate elected by Proportionate Representation. ============================================ As none of the other 'main' British Parties are leading on this, then if UKIP adopted for the domestic General Election, then it is certainly something that would grab the publics attention !

01-11-2004, 02:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,479	I agree with that, it is the core belief that we should withdraw from the EU that unites us, any decision on an English Parlament would need to be endorsed by a referendum in my opinon and so should not be a major point of dispute.