Thread: Soldiers Arn't Heroes

Get a grip of yourself - you may be academically good, but how would you cope like one of our HEROES in a war-zone?

I bet you wouldn't last two minutes on a tour of Afghanistan. Sure it might not be a war liked by many, but respect for our soldiers I do have.

Originally Posted by Joely

As our troops fight the corrupt, illegal wars in Iraq and Afganistan, we lay here dormant, belowing praise in the direction of those fighting. We constantly praise those who have died, who have allegedly died FOR our safety and freedom. What people forget is that a hero is a saviour, one who cares about other more then oneself, and boldly deffends freedom and democracy.

People fail to recognize who these soilders 'are' (for the record I am refering to those fighting the current Iraq/Afgan wars, those who fought wars such as WWI and WWII were most deffinately heroes by my standards). Those who sign up to the military, are those who academically failed. If one was to fail one's GCSE's and latter A-levels, the army is an easy way our, as it requires no qualifications. Those of which I know who have signed up to the army drastically failed their GCSE's, and had absaloutley no academic ability. Because I accomplished much academically, I am not viewed as a 'hero', whereas the children who coulden't be bothered to listen in school, or lacked perception skills are heroes. The army is a chav haven, and I dispise chavs.

Did you get a degree in English? Do you have spell check? Are you joining the army?

Oh dear, a post that doesn't sympathise with a couple of members own thoughts, do they tear up his well argued submission with arguments of their own. No they impugn the poster.

I wonder if they call the Cpl recently jailed for a year for beating unarmed, tethered and blindfolded prisoners, a hero?

The band of squaddies that captured three youths and gave them a good beating with big sticks in the safety of their bolthole/compound, were they heroes?

Yes, wars do throw up the odd hero (in the true sense of the word), most soldiers are not.

Educated people do not make good, obedient soldiers.

Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

Oh dear, a post that doesn't sympathise with a couple of members own thoughts, do they tear up his well argued submission with arguments of their own. No they impugn the poster.

I wonder if they call the Cpl recently jailed for a year for beating unarmed, tethered and blindfolded prisoners, a hero?

The band of squaddies that captured three youths and gave them a good beating with big sticks in the safety of their bolthole/compound, were they heroes?

Yes, wars do throw up the odd hero (in the true sense of the word), most soldiers are not.

Educated people do not make good, obedient soldiers.

I think we should get out of Afghanistan and Iraq as soon as possible. Nevertheless, the Army does do a good job by giving purpose to many people who have been given a poor start in life. Also - I am pleased that we do have, in the main, an army to be proud of.

How very dare you, If it wasn't for these brave men and woman over the years who do a great service to this country go knows where we would be today.

You would most likely not have the freedom to type what you typed.

You should be truly ashamed of yourself.

Joely, the Army consists of a wide number of trades and professions. Many require qualifications that you could not obtain. Recruits come from a wide range of backgrounds and have a variety of skills and experiences. It is fair to say that some soldiers are not the brightest individuals, but the courses they must pass are not a doddle and demand physical prowess and reserves of discipline which not all people possess.

There are rotten apples in every barrel and soldiers might be brutalised by their experiences, but then if you want someone to patrol in Taliban territory and act as a draw for enemy fire you would expect them to be tough.

It is interesting to note that the 'men' who took Britain into the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan included a number of former members of the Troops Out Movement, conscientious objectors and people who cannot be considered friends of the armed forces. No member of the Labour government has a close family member serving in the Army, Royal Navy or Royal Air Force.

It is fair to criticise the wars, the conduct of the conflicts and the individuals who let the military down, but over 130,000 troops have taken their turn in serving in the 2 recent conflicts and they deserve a lot more support than some people seem inclined to give them.

LE(s), I don't think Joely's arguments are well constructed and I do think his spelling and grammar are appalling.

Originally Posted by Austin Sheridan

How very dare you, If it wasn't for these brave men and woman over the years who do a great service to this country go knows where we would be today.

You would most likely not have the freedom to type what you typed.

You should be truly ashamed of yourself.

You do realise he was talking about current soldiers involved in current wars right? He was quite clear in that he believes the soldiers of world war one and world war two to be heroes. The soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan have sadly lost their lives for nothing. Those wars have no extended traditional British freedom but have reduced it.

I know where we would be today if we were not involved in these wars: we would be more free, we would have a stronger armed forces, we would have lower state spending and we would have more British and foreign people alive right now - and what is more important than that?