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    Quote Originally Posted by paralreg View Post
    I have no enmity towards you, or your views whatever they may be. You say you have learned something and for that I am happy. But if you do not grasp my post 376 you will have learned but not understood, and no one can tell you it is up to you.
    Please define your stand to me, what are your goals either politically or in an other profession, your beliefs and wants. I'm serious go on inform.
    Profession? I have made it clear in this very thread what profession I want.

    Politically, I have no goals and socially, I believe in this saying - "Remember life is made up of a small kindness, a smile and a helping hand. Success is measured by your friends, not your wallet. Life is short, and remember, live it well".

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    You and Whos Army?

    Quote Originally Posted by Draconian Monarch View Post
    Or better still forge with the rest of the cowardly nations in the EU and have an EU defence force incase China fancies taking us on. That would be better, hell lets totally destory the UK and hand ourselves over to the EU, lets change our name and eradicate everything this country stands for.
    MY dear youngster if China even thought of invading the whole of Europe we could not stop them in a thousand years. This is the country who at the time of the Vietnam police action could allegedly put into an attack ONE MILLION men and TEN THOUSAND tanks. This was not an invasion force it was a ground attack force such as could have been used against the Americans if necessary. I have been told that the minigun extreme rapid fire weapon was conceived with this concept in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draconian Monarch View Post
    Profession? I have made it clear in this very thread what profession I want.

    Politically, I have no goals and socially, I believe in this saying - "Remember life is made up of a small kindness, a smile and a helping hand. Success is measured by your friends, not your wallet. Life is short, and remember, live it well".
    Clint Eastwood in the film Josey Wales says "DYING IS NO WAY TO MAKE A LIVING" Remember that it is probably the wisest thing any American has ever said.

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    No wonder the BNP find it hard to get members when idiots come out with statements like that.

    If you accomplished much academically I doubt you would have come out with such a ludicrous statement, If thats what being academic does for you then I thank God I chose not to go to University......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space View Post
    Quite the opposite. The media often adds alot of spin to the news and you have to read between the lines. Im a member on a few other forums, and a couple of them have a large number of members who are in the armed forces. Its surprising how ill informed they are.

    I remember last year making a post about the forces being withdrawn from Iraq, and they laughed saying that it wouldn't happen for years ( this was on the day that Brown announced it) Again last year I posted that the coalition was starting to lose Afghanistan, and they didn't have popular support from the Afghan people - the "experts" in the forces said they were winning and everyone in Afghanistan loved them because of all the reconstruction work they were doing ( they couldn't give me any examples of this work though) They also say that they will be in Afghanistan for decades, and considering the conference this week, that now looks unlikely.

    So actually Rackham, the funny thing is that the soldiers doing the fighting often seem to know the least - Ive no doubt that its due to the commanding officers wanting to maintain morale. My experience with soldiers has been that although they are supposed to be courageous warriors, when it comes to their feelings they seem to be rather fragile flowers.
    Cant you see the irony of your post?

    You and people like you rely on gossip, third hand info and the media who for the most part are guessing. You seem to be claiming that you're some sort of an authority because you belong to a few forums! LOL priceless. You are a typical civy who's been knowhere, seen nothing and done nothing...but has an "expert" opinion on everything.

    I was a career soldier, and you are clueless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joely View Post
    As our troops fight the corrupt, illegal wars in Iraq and Afganistan, we lay here dormant, belowing praise in the direction of those fighting. We constantly praise those who have died, who have allegedly died FOR our safety and freedom. What people forget is that a hero is a saviour, one who cares about other more then oneself, and boldly deffends freedom and democracy.

    People fail to recognize who these soilders 'are' (for the record I am refering to those fighting the current Iraq/Afgan wars, those who fought wars such as WWI and WWII were most deffinately heroes by my standards). Those who sign up to the military, are those who academically failed. If one was to fail one's GCSE's and latter A-levels, the army is an easy way our, as it requires no qualifications. Those of which I know who have signed up to the army drastically failed their GCSE's, and had absaloutley no academic ability. Because I accomplished much academically, I am not viewed as a 'hero', whereas the children who coulden't be bothered to listen in school, or lacked perception skills are heroes. The army is a chav haven, and I dispise chavs.
    Apart from the fact that you spell and handle grammar like a chav (!) I largely agree with you.

    When the troops had their home coming parade through Nottingham there were all sorts of council backed promotions about "welcoming our heroes home" and all that ****. Why are they heroes? They work in dangerous situations, I suppose, which takes bravery. But simply being brave doesn't make one a hero. Burgling a house whilst the occupants are still inside is pretty scary work, I would imagine, and so requires brave people - but burglers aren't heroes simply because they act bravely.

    Then you get cases where a soldier dies, and is immediately described as a hero. Why? Why does merely dying make you a hero? If you died whilst single handedly defending an unarmed woman and her kids, giving up your life because it was the only possible way to buy them time to escape, then perhaps your death would be heroic. But the fact that we can call some deaths heroic and some not means that merely being killed in service is not sufficient to make one a hero.

    Then you get obviously distraight mothers on the news, the ones, for instance, that complain, quite rightly, about soldiers being underresourced or ill-equipped. They say things about the soldiers being "out there, fighting and dying for us" or "for their country." But they aren't. In what possible way are the soldiers "fighting for their country"? In what way do we, "us," benefit from having them fight this war? Do they keep us safe? Not really, since the only examples of actual suicide bombings to ever occur on British soil occurred after the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and were perpetrated by people who included these invasions, amongst other things, as motive for these actions. If anything, the war has made us less safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_A_Garner View Post
    Apart from the fact that you spell and handle grammar like a chav (!) I largely agree with you.

    When the troops had their home coming parade through Nottingham there were all sorts of council backed promotions about "welcoming our heroes home" and all that ****. Why are they heroes? They work in dangerous situations, I suppose, which takes bravery. But simply being brave doesn't make one a hero. Burgling a house whilst the occupants are still inside is pretty scary work, I would imagine, and so requires brave people - but burglers aren't heroes simply because they act bravely.

    Then you get cases where a soldier dies, and is immediately described as a hero. Why? Why does merely dying make you a hero? If you died whilst single handedly defending an unarmed woman and her kids, giving up your life because it was the only possible way to buy them time to escape, then perhaps your death would be heroic. But the fact that we can call some deaths heroic and some not means that merely being killed in service is not sufficient to make one a hero.

    Then you get obviously distraight mothers on the news, the ones, for instance, that complain, quite rightly, about soldiers being underresourced or ill-equipped. They say things about the soldiers being "out there, fighting and dying for us" or "for their country." But they aren't. In what possible way are the soldiers "fighting for their country"? In what way do we, "us," benefit from having them fight this war? Do they keep us safe? Not really, since the only examples of actual suicide bombings to ever occur on British soil occurred after the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and were perpetrated by people who included these invasions, amongst other things, as motive for these actions. If anything, the war has made us less safe.
    Comparing soldiers to burglars says more about you than you than anything else tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rackham View Post
    Comparing soldiers to burglars says more about you than you than anything else tbh.
    I wasn't aware that I did. All I did was point out that since people can be nrave when conducting activities that wouldn't normally make them heroes, it is plain that being brave is not sufficient to make one a hero. Do you disagree?

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    Your attitude is very dismisisve of a subject you have no knowledge of. You "suppose" soldiers work in dangerous situations! are you really that stupid?

    You claim breaking into a house is quote..."scary work and reqires brave people"

    You utter bloody imbecile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rackham View Post
    Your attitude is very dismisisve of a subject you have no knowledge of. You "suppose" soldiers work in dangerous situations! are you really that stupid?

    You claim breaking into a house is quote..."scary work and reqires brave people"

    You utter bloody imbecile.

    Is there a counterargument here, somewhere?

    Soldiers sometimes do dangerous work, yes. That doesn't make them heroes.

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