Thread: Soldiers Arn't Heroes

Originally Posted by paralreg

I have no enmity towards you, or your views whatever they may be. You say you have learned something and for that I am happy. But if you do not grasp my post 376 you will have learned but not understood, and no one can tell you it is up to you.
Please define your stand to me, what are your goals either politically or in an other profession, your beliefs and wants. I'm serious go on inform.

Profession? I have made it clear in this very thread what profession I want.

Politically, I have no goals and socially, I believe in this saying - "Remember life is made up of a small kindness, a smile and a helping hand. Success is measured by your friends, not your wallet. Life is short, and remember, live it well".

Originally Posted by Draconian Monarch

Or better still forge with the rest of the cowardly nations in the EU and have an EU defence force incase China fancies taking us on. That would be better, hell lets totally destory the UK and hand ourselves over to the EU, lets change our name and eradicate everything this country stands for.

MY dear youngster if China even thought of invading the whole of Europe we could not stop them in a thousand years. This is the country who at the time of the Vietnam police action could allegedly put into an attack ONE MILLION men and TEN THOUSAND tanks. This was not an invasion force it was a ground attack force such as could have been used against the Americans if necessary. I have been told that the minigun extreme rapid fire weapon was conceived with this concept in mind.

Originally Posted by Draconian Monarch

Profession? I have made it clear in this very thread what profession I want.

Politically, I have no goals and socially, I believe in this saying - "Remember life is made up of a small kindness, a smile and a helping hand. Success is measured by your friends, not your wallet. Life is short, and remember, live it well".

Clint Eastwood in the film Josey Wales says "DYING IS NO WAY TO MAKE A LIVING" Remember that it is probably the wisest thing any American has ever said.

Originally Posted by Joely

As our troops fight the corrupt, illegal wars in Iraq and Afganistan, we lay here dormant, belowing praise in the direction of those fighting. We constantly praise those who have died, who have allegedly died FOR our safety and freedom. What people forget is that a hero is a saviour, one who cares about other more then oneself, and boldly deffends freedom and democracy.

People fail to recognize who these soilders 'are' (for the record I am refering to those fighting the current Iraq/Afgan wars, those who fought wars such as WWI and WWII were most deffinately heroes by my standards). Those who sign up to the military, are those who academically failed. If one was to fail one's GCSE's and latter A-levels, the army is an easy way our, as it requires no qualifications. Those of which I know who have signed up to the army drastically failed their GCSE's, and had absaloutley no academic ability. Because I accomplished much academically, I am not viewed as a 'hero', whereas the children who coulden't be bothered to listen in school, or lacked perception skills are heroes. The army is a chav haven, and I dispise chavs.

Apart from the fact that you spell and handle grammar like a chav (!) I largely agree with you.

When the troops had their home coming parade through Nottingham there were all sorts of council backed promotions about "welcoming our heroes home" and all that ****. Why are they heroes? They work in dangerous situations, I suppose, which takes bravery. But simply being brave doesn't make one a hero. Burgling a house whilst the occupants are still inside is pretty scary work, I would imagine, and so requires brave people - but burglers aren't heroes simply because they act bravely.

Then you get cases where a soldier dies, and is immediately described as a hero. Why? Why does merely dying make you a hero? If you died whilst single handedly defending an unarmed woman and her kids, giving up your life because it was the only possible way to buy them time to escape, then perhaps your death would be heroic. But the fact that we can call some deaths heroic and some not means that merely being killed in service is not sufficient to make one a hero.

Then you get obviously distraight mothers on the news, the ones, for instance, that complain, quite rightly, about soldiers being underresourced or ill-equipped. They say things about the soldiers being "out there, fighting and dying for us" or "for their country." But they aren't. In what possible way are the soldiers "fighting for their country"? In what way do we, "us," benefit from having them fight this war? Do they keep us safe? Not really, since the only examples of actual suicide bombings to ever occur on British soil occurred after the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and were perpetrated by people who included these invasions, amongst other things, as motive for these actions. If anything, the war has made us less safe.

Originally Posted by Red Rackham

Comparing soldiers to burglars says more about you than you than anything else tbh.

I wasn't aware that I did. All I did was point out that since people can be nrave when conducting activities that wouldn't normally make them heroes, it is plain that being brave is not sufficient to make one a hero. Do you disagree?

Originally Posted by Red Rackham

Your attitude is very dismisisve of a subject you have no knowledge of. You "suppose" soldiers work in dangerous situations! are you really that stupid?

You claim breaking into a house is quote..."scary work and reqires brave people"

You utter bloody imbecile.

Is there a counterargument here, somewhere?

Soldiers sometimes do dangerous work, yes. That doesn't make them heroes.