Reply With QuotePeter Hitchens speaks about this issue in great detail in his book A Brief History of Crime. You should get hold a copy if you haven't already read it.
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In the United Kingdom, we have been more or less quietly stripped of our right to own a gun. The police have absoloute power over those who can have one and who can't and there is no written charter giving the applicant a garuntee of fair treatment, and the 'filth' don't need real a reason for turning you down.
The 'safety standards' expected are impossible for working-class Britons to comply with (including double glazed windows & alarms) and the whole process is off putting and expensive.
Anybody with a 'recordable arrest' with regards to the Race Acts, ...even if found innocent, have no chance.
Even Airguns with over 12 lbs/SqInch of power (barely enough to kill a rat) are now cassed as 'firearms' and ornamental deactivated weapons/replicas dated post 1870 are now de-marketed, unless they are made of see-through plastic!.
I have liscence for a shotgun but I'm one of the lucky ones.
The existing pro-gun groups in this country are useless, & only appear intersted in the Oylimpic pistol team, and just because the residents of b***k, inner-city disticts have a prediliction for shooting eachother (with occasional innocent casualties) I don't see why the rest of us should suffer.
Under the law, home defense is not a reason to claim a gun (why?), but I believe if a known burglar or herion addict(proven by a test on the corpse) is shot and the body is peported, there should be no arrests ...BY LAW!
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Peter Hitchens speaks about this issue in great detail in his book A Brief History of Crime. You should get hold a copy if you haven't already read it.
In the end I believe the Establishment will pay a high price for having an unchecked monopoly on weaponry.
They are foolish indeed to place their lives in the hands of the generals.
immanentize the eschaton!
Lancashire Hillbilly: I wouldn't want one of those 'innocent casualties' to be one of my family.
I don't understand this bit. Maybe it is different in Lancashire, as I am sure that you are aware, each police force is different. I am temporarily working in London, and all I have to show is that my gun cabinet is out of view. I am not sure that they insist on alarms and I know that there is no mention of double glazing, but I have both anyway.Originally Posted by Lancashire HillBilly
As for criminal records, I think that some of these are a little silly. I cannot see what drink driving has to do with owning a gun. Just because someone is irresponsible in their car does not mean that they are with their gun. You can even lose your licence if you have your driving licence taken away for speeding.
I would not agree that the pro-gun groups are only interested in Olympic sports. Groups such as BASC are not particullarly interest in the Olympics but are for other users. Also I think that the Countryside Alliance have a department looking at these things.
One thing that I would ban immediately are these ridiculous replica guns. Some can be turned into proper working ones, but I really cannot see any other use for them that is ligitemate.
Marjem - most gun crime is done by illegally held firearms. I can't recall the figure but think that it is something like 98%
Banning tools is pointless.
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How can you say that when so many have been killed recently by guns and knives? How can you be sure that those guns owned legally will not get into the wrong hands? A child of someone I worked with took out a legally owned gun and 'accidently' shot a friend of his, luckily he was not seriously injured.
Guns and knives should be banned from our streets.
You can't ban guns and knives, all you can do is make sure only the bad guys, whether that be the state (who have killed more innocent people in the last five years than every murderer in the UK combined by a factor of 100) or criminals have them.
If a thousand, or ten thousand men women and children were killed every year accidentally by the widespread ownership of weapons then that we be a small price to pay for the guarantee of liberty and democracy without which we are all no better than slaves. You have no rights or freedom if they are dependent on the charity of the elite and not the firepower of the citizenry.
immanentize the eschaton!
The per capita gun murder rate in the United States is 36 times that of the United Kingdom. And this does not take into account manslaughter and accidental killings by firearms, or killings by armed police forces. Something like 11,000 Americans are killed each year by guns.
Do we want that in the UK (or countries like Australia and NZ)? Ownership of a deadly weapon has nothing to do with rights or freedoms. The real freedoms (from want, from racial prejudice, from illness,) we enjoy in the UK and Commonwealth countries (by means of laws, real social services, and universal health care) are much more significant than the 'freedoms' Americans imagine they have.
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