Gun Rights; the test of a free country.

**Wowbanger TIP** · 06-12-2008 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Leo

The per capita gun murder rate in the United States is 36 times that of the United Kingdom. And this does not take into account manslaughter and accidental killings by firearms, or killings by armed police forces. Something like 11,000 Americans are killed each year by guns.

Do we want that in the UK (or countries like Australia and NZ)? Ownership of a deadly weapon has nothing to do with rights or freedoms. The real freedoms (from want, from racial prejudice, from illness,) we enjoy in the UK and Commonwealth countries (by means of laws, real social services, and universal health care) are much more significant than the 'freedoms' Americans imagine they have.

US and UK murder - rate and weapon Flesh is Grass

According the figures I found on the net your actually only five times more likely to be murdered in the USA than in the UK, running a massive 5:100,000 risk in the US. Our scum seem to get by just fine with a knife. And of course while the gun is a great leveler victory in a knife fight will almost always go to the strongest the most violent and the biggest number.

And that's not even considering that America is the exception not the rule and many countries with very liberal gun laws have far lower murder rates than ours by gun or any other means. Or that our petty crime level is far far higher than the US because we have no defense and no serious sanctions against crime.

And of course in the UK and in the US the biggest victims of guns are criminals themselves being far more likely to be shot than law abiding citizens.

Ownership of serious weapons has everything to do with democracy and liberty. Should, as is not even particularly far fetched anymore, a state of Emergency be declared in the near future whether you and your community lives or dies will be the decision of a bureaucrat and there is nothing you can do about it. Democracy is an option for our elite, its compulsory for the American version.

Sure the British elite are happy to be democrats so long as you turn out for their sham elections, and parrot their values back to them as if they were revelations from the Lord but see what happens if things ain't going their way.

Oh and by the way freedom from "want, from racial prejudice, from illness" are not within the gift of the state, try God. And the idea that Commonwealth countries have achieved these civilities is laughable, isn't Zimbabwe a Commonwealth country?

**John Connor** · 07-12-2008 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Leo

The per capita gun murder rate in the United States is 36 times that of the United Kingdom. And this does not take into account manslaughter and accidental killings by firearms, or killings by armed police forces. Something like 11,000 Americans are killed each year by guns.

Yes, but the overall per capita murder rate isn't that different, IIRC. Which means that while the US prefers guns as its method of murder, we prefer more brutal methods. Like the ancient but deadly art of "Chipfork".

Originally Posted by marjem

Guns and knives should be banned from our streets.

Wrong. If they ban guns and I want to kill you, I'm going to stab you with a knife. If they ban knives and I want to kill you, I'm going to stick you with a screwdriver. If they ban screwdrivers and I want to kill you, I'm going to plunge a chipfork into your jugular. If you they chipforks and I want to kill you, I'm going to whack you upside the head with a housebrick. If they ban housebricks then I won't have to kill you - the winter will do it for me.

A gun is the only way a 100 lbs 5'2" woman is going to fend off a 250 lbs 6'4" rapist who bursts into her house. Think you're going to overpower him with chop-sockey? Nope - you've been watching too many films. Think you're going to fend him off with a heavy implement? Nope - you've been watching too much TV.

**kernow** · 07-12-2008 10:27 PM

I'm against gun carrying civilians, but I am very pro harsh penalties for all criminals violent ones especially! I'd make penalties so harsh that other than the 'nutters', people would be too terrified to commit crime!

**Lancashire HillBilly** · 08-12-2008 11:07 AM

Leo; more people drown in the Bathtub the United States than of domestic firearm shootings; Are we proposing to ban bathtubs?

The crime rate of guns is worse in cities and states where there isa a no-issue policy or a may issue-policy (State Discriminates).

If a harsh attitude is taken to proven criminals, the evidence shows that widespread firearms can be held safely without compromising public safety.

The only UK anti-gun argument is the risk to wildlife, other than that I believe the left are prejudiced against those who are psycholoically capable of owning a firearm, on account of their own inborn cowardice.

**Lancashire HillBilly** · 08-12-2008 11:13 AM

John Connor, I couldn't agree more!
Unfortunately, our 'political puppet-masters' would rather we walked in fear than the scum of the land have their 'human-rights' infringed by us making it more potentially lethal to commit crime.

This is why at the beginning I suggested the creation of legal immunity for those who lethally shoot herion addicts on their property.

Within 48 hours, if the corpse is found to have died out of hours, with heroin etc in the system then there should be no charges.
Could you think of a better deterrent for getting into that lifestyle?

**John Connor** · 08-12-2008 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Lancashire HillBilly

This is why at the beginning I suggested the creation of legal immunity for those who lethally shoot herion addicts on their property.

Within 48 hours, if the corpse is found to have died out of hours, with heroin etc in the system then there should be no charges.

I'd just make it so it's fully legal to shoot anyone who's not supposed to be on your property. With obvious rules so a mentalist ex-wife doesn't invite her ex-hubby over for "a talk" or so the postman doesn't get shot.

**Lancashire HillBilly** · 08-12-2008 11:50 AM

Nice one...

In all seriousity though, we need to start making moral judgements and make it clear that as a people certain things are wrong, we need to recognise 'discrimination' as a nescessary part of any genetically sane concinseness!
The best way of combatting degeneration is to let individusal people take the intitative.

Time to trust the people again and allow genetic normailty to be the judge of life and death in a sane situation rather than protecting the villain!

**Wowbanger TIP** · 08-12-2008 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Lancashire HillBilly

Leo; more people drown in the Bathtub the United States than of domestic firearm shootings; Are we proposing to ban bathtubs?

The crime rate of guns is worse in cities and states where there isa a no-issue policy or a may issue-policy (State Discriminates).

If a harsh attitude is taken to proven criminals, the evidence shows that widespread firearms can be held safely without compromising public safety.

The only UK anti-gun argument is the risk to wildlife, other than that I believe the left are prejudiced against those who are psycholoically capable of owning a firearm, on account of their own inborn cowardice.

A profound truth.

In fact almost every aspect of orthodox elite thought is dominated by their obsessive fear of death. Not since the high Medieval period has a society been so focused on its own mortality, and they had 1348 as an excuse.

Mind you, if I had the kind of crimes they have weighing on my immortal soul I wouldn't be too keen to see if my atheism was correct either.

Still, we should rejoice, when the revolution comes it will be far more satisfying to dismember these filthy traitors with medieval close combat weapons than with impersonal ballistics. You can't hear them beg or see the fear in their eyes from any kind of range.

**Lancashire HillBilly** · 08-12-2008 12:33 PM

Too true, Genetic wimps all.
Death is an honour, a tribute and the ultimate reality, time we taught our fellow countrymen how real men think and behave, the only one who would fear a gun, sword or axe is those mentally incapable of fighting back, those our race can do well without anyway! The coward has ruled us for far too long, the age of the warrior is back!!

**marjem** · 08-12-2008 01:56 PM

John Connor: So you think that we should all carry weapons to defend ourselves from the minority that might want to cause us harm? Do you include our children too? They are already being overprotected, not allowed to play out as we were. We are now bringing up a generation too scared to be on the streets without some form of protection. We have pensioners who are too scared to leave their homes. Can you honestly say that you want to live in a country that allows this?

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