Thread: Yorkshire Activists blockade Sheffield Border Agency Centre

Compulsory ?

Didn't the government say it was voluntary ?
Or is that just for us until they change their mind ?

Originally Posted by newspresenter

All right minded people are against the fascism of the ID card system, but a glance around Indymedia tells me they're not quite the liberals that they make out to be. Take the main page,
1st story, how can it be liberal to wana publish people's names that could cause violence against them?
3rd/4th stories, why is it a good idea to stop people earning a living via coal? Thats not liberal.

Ironicly, both Indymedia and the BNP attack similar issues of our rulers.

Communists would be a more accurate description of a lot of Indymedia people. When you delve into it you begin to realise how unbelievable it really is. For example, typical sorts of things you might find would be anarchists demanding climate change and that sort of thing. Now dig a little deeper and look at things like the sort of bookshops these communists run to indoctrinate the unwashed, and it is about as hardline as you can get. I have tried educating a few of them and after much heat and deleted posts, I think the message is sinking in a little. ID cards are all about a huge state, communism is all about a huge state, hence ID cards = communism.

Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov

Communists would be a more accurate description of a lot of Indymedia people.

Baron, exactly the same thought occured to me before I read the article.

Whilst there is no solid evidence of deliberate mayhem, that would hardly be suprising, but who knows what fury and public distain at the manner of the protests the event really created.

The evidence that supports it is of these "activists" supergluing themselves to the main entrance and applicants being turned away.

I'm openminded however in light of further evidence.

Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov

When you delve into it you begin to realise how unbelievable it really is. For example, typical sorts of things you might find would be anarchists demanding climate change and that sort of thing.

This is very true indeed.

But the majority of these climate change activists are communists !

They are posing as "anarchists" when in reality they are communists whose expenses are paid for by the corporations who support the environmental movement as a whole.

Although I haven't got any proof to hand on this, Alex Jones has explained it very well - how they get ferried about and put up in lush hotel rooms by the corporations.
Yet ironically they demonstrate against global warming and are paid to disrupt and provacateur peaceful events, justifying more police control with public support.
(Cue "conspiracy theory" abuse from agents/provacateurs on this forum...)

Similar to Montebello Canada where police were caught provacateuring peaceful demonstrations, this is the position we are in and a sign of how corrupt and widespread the problem is.

Quebec police admit they went undercover at Montebello protest
Canada: Police agent-provocateurs unmasked at Montebello summit protests

"Police officials tried to justify the extraordinary measures deployed at Montebello by claiming they were needed to control “extremist” demonstrators and prevent them from “overwhelming” conference security forces. In fact, video images reveal a long-established police practice, that is, the use of agent provocateurs to provide a pretext for a brutal intervention by riot police against anti-government demonstrators and still further restrictions on the right to protest and other basic democratic rights."

These anarchists are not real anarchists at all in the traditional sense of the term.
They are (watch this...) e "state agents"

Whether they know the full picture is unclear, but they know their services are being paid for by someone.....

Anyone attending any peaceful demonstration should take a video camera and be vigilant about these provacateurs. (despite what the government says about the banning of video cameras)

Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov

Now dig a little deeper and look at things like the sort of bookshops these communists run to indoctrinate the unwashed, and it is about as hardline as you can get.

Not suprising.
It shows they've either been indoctrinated themselves or they're purposefully pushing the propaganda on other people.

Out of interest Baron, are these loathesome individuals fans of "Noam Chomsky" by any chance ?

I wouldn't be at all suprised as Chomsky himself poses as a "radical" whilst calling for the emergence of a much larger state powers to break state power
(Ironically a bit similar to the UKIP argument about being in the European Parliament in order to leave Europe)

This article gives an idea of how this supposed system of "anarchy" works:
The Art of the Possible Blog Archive Chomsky’s Augustinian Anarchism

"Noam Chomsky is perhaps the United States’ best-known anarchist.
"Chomsky’s reason for the “not yet” is that a powerful central government is currently necessary as a bulwark against the power of the corporate elite; thus it will not be safe to abolish or even scale back the state until we first use the state to break the power of the corporate elite"

Total propaganda and complete rubbish - making people think that the "corporate elite" are not pulling the strings the government in every possible way imagainable.

Do these anarchists believe it ? Probably I'd guess.

Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov

I have tried educating a few of them and after much heat and deleted posts, I think the message is sinking in a little. ID cards are all about a huge state, communism is all about a huge state, hence ID cards = communism.

Do you mean your posts were deleted ? Again hardly suprising.

You do exactly the right thing to tell them they are being used by powers that be themselves.
They need to be that told selling out will not benefit them in the long run and they're as much part of it as anyone else.
Have they talked about any of Chomsky's rubbish or similar concepts of "anarchy" ?

I'd love to speak to these people - put a few basic facts before them.....

Originally Posted by newspresenter

You're too cynical

Don't you mean sarcastic ?

OK guys, since I have already checked this out, upon being highly suspicious, you might like to check these links.

THIS THURSDAY 13th November, there is a planning meeting in Liverpool for an action. 7pm at the Liverpool Social Centre, next to News From Nowhere bookshop, 96 Bold Street, Liverpool L1 4HY.

UK Indymedia | No Borders / NO2ID / Defy-ID protest against ID Cards for Foreign Nationals
(Notice I have been busy with the comments in the above link!)

These social centres and bookshops are all linked in a loose kind of way. One of the first was something called the Bradford One in Twelve club. This was for gigs and the like, and has been running for decades. Also linked to this movement is something called Agenda 21, they used this UN act to set up a network of radical meeting places in London and some other cities. Now all of this has grown into an international anti-capitalist, BNP hating, EU & UN loving bunch of halfwits. Just as Marx said it should be, a kind of rising up of the dispossessed.

So now look how far it has come. Look at these books and you will see the agenda they follow.
- News From Nowhere Radical & Community Bookshop, Liverpool

This section is particularly horrifying.

Men & Masculinity

Booklists in this category:
Cross-Dressing
Domestic Violence - Men Who Abuse Their Partners
Empowering Boys & Young Men
Fathers, Sons and Fatherhood
Gay Sexuality
Gender and Gender Theory
Housework & Domestic Labour
Masculinity
Masculinity & Change
Masculinity & Violence
Men & Feminism
Men Surviving Sexual Abuse
Men's Self-Help, Empowerment and Spirituality
Men's Sexuality
Patriarchy & Sexism
Relationships
Transgender & Transsexualism

Book category: - News From Nowhere Radical & Community Bookshop, Liverpool

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