Thread: Unions back Labour plans for ID card scheme

There is nothing new about New Labour, it's just a lurch to the left. OK well previously you could argue that their vehicle was the union movement and now they have switched to quangos, but it's just new cloths for old ideas. The Left has never given a monkey's for the working class, they have used them right from the start and most likely because they are generally poorly educated and Labour like to ensure they keep them that way. Champaign socialism it is all the way to the bank and they are the elite or the ones who cut up the spoils. At one quango it was reported their placeman was on £220 000 per year, and that's far more than even the prime minister officially gets. The only difference now is that the workers are getting educated more as information is available beyond Labour's control, i.e. the Internet. That's why Glasgow East rejected them, they found out they had been had. And good for them too.

The Labour party was born from the trade unions it was them who created Labour, they are inextricably linked, it is Labour who has destroyed this country, albeit in the early days through the best will in the world. The Soviet empire was created with the best will in the world and look what happened. Labour inadvertently destroyed all our industry by nationalising it, some argue it was communist infiltrated, they would have given away all our nuclear deterrent if they could, the wind turbine fiasco was down to them, as was the collapse of ship yards, pits, steel works, grammar schools, car production, rails etc, etc, all nationalised with honest hearts that they were doing the correct thing.

The welfare state that they created has nearly brought this country to it's knees, we pay people seriously enormous sums of money to sit on their arses and munch Macky dee's, this country needs to be brought to its knees, absolutely and totally, complete bankruptcy and money not coming out of cash points, because until that happens the poor old apathetic British public will do nothing. They will sit back and watch this country be destroyed and hope for the best.

So if you want to talk about Labour values, then the parliamentary system needs correcting, where people can have a virtual MP as well as real one, and that way Parliament votes and e-mail votes can be counted as one so that real issues can be tackled instead of three line whips continually stifling democracy.

And as for trade unions that so love their prodigy without the money from the T.U’s Labour as a party would be broke, so unfortunately the T.U’s dictate the downfall of the UK. Be far better to give electoral parties LibLabCon a fixed fee of 100M to fight elections, that way you’ll see a shift to the right, and those loud mouthed thick bullies in the T.U’s that bankroll this could enjoy a breakfast of their own S H I T.

Originally Posted by Businessman

The only people who should fear having to produce ID Cards are criminals and illegal immigrants. Full marks to the Trade Unions therefore for supporting the scheme. If only David Cameron's government would do the same!

Reasons to be fearful.

Losing an ID card makes me a bit fearful that it might be difficult to function without it.

If it's stolen, I'm a bit fearful that if it's used for criminal purposes it might land me in the s**t.

The personal data held, and the authorities record of losing or having it misused makes me a bit fearful.

The idea that I might be required to produce an ID card for any jumped up official makes me a bit fearful.

It's a small step from being required to carry one to being compelled to identify myself when a policeman asks me to produce it. The idea that I would be obliged to justify myself to the state makes me fearful.

That people accept the propaganda surrounding ID cards makes me fearful that if they'll accept that, they'll accept any nonsense the government tells them.

I'd hoped the argument was dead and buried when Labour were thrown out. I'm fearful that people want to resurrect it.

And no, I'm not a criminal or illegal immigrant. I'm someone who doesn't trust the authorities to keep my personal data safe and I don't trust them to use it solely for the purposes they said they would.

Originally Posted by Businessman

The only people who should fear having to produce ID Cards are criminals and illegal immigrants. Full marks to the Trade Unions therefore for supporting the scheme. If only David Cameron's government would do the same!

Are you saying you seriously support the authorities? What about David Kelly's death with doctors saying it could not be suicide but buried under a 70 year secrecy ruling.

The majority of the police are so PC they no longer represent justice otherwise they would have arrested the judges for perverting the course of justice.

Fine if immigrants need to carry an ID card but not the host population. Criminals are caught by good investigative work they can get fake IDs anyway. It would be a waste of money and one more thing for ordinary people to worry about losing.