g hall

Well here we go
How widely publicised are these rules and was there any consultation ?

VICTIM SURCHARGE FFS
Why are the authorities not pursuing the youths guilty of the crime like motorists she is an easy target

If this true why pick on one apparently single person ?

Are these parasites unable to find the real criminals and have they nothing better to do remember we pay their wages and I wonder what each one costs us

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Was it impossible to sort it out out of courts? What next dropping your wallet and be done for littering? We see rubbish along the road all the time why dont we all get punished for it?Zealous beaurocrats who cant get enough of making people's life a misery.Why dont councils get punished for leaving te roads dirty.Who keeps a vigilant eye on them?

Tara

The day this story broke I was listening to LBC Radio, a man from her area in Bolton phoned in to say the dustman have been known to collect the rubbish before 7:30am so the council are being extremely unreasonable. There is nothing wrong with putting the rubbish out the evening before collection, not everyone can be around at 7:30am to look out for a dustcart, people have lives to lead. If this were France or Italy everyone would get together and dump rotten rubbish at the council doors, it's high time the British got a backbone instead of lying back and taking it because they want to keep up a 'respectable' image.

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The Bear

As is so often the case all is not what it seems from the large print or from a single source.

The woman had already been formally warned that she was putting her bins out too soon, in the first case at least 48 hours too soon as from the Telegraph

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“The court heard that Miss Watmough had already been sent a warning under environmental health rules by council officers who spotted her bins on the street on a Tuesday last November. Officers claimed that the bins had been put out 48 hours before collection.”

So in this case she was not fined £250 for putting her bins out too early in contravention of bylaws, it was for not paying a fixed penalty ticket that she picked up for putting her bin out too early after having been previously warned about it.

No doubt had she made contact with her local council within the seven days to pay period and explained that she could not afford to pay the initial £75 in one lump she could have reached an agreement to pay over a period of time. That really is how it works.

Now the authorities and catching criminals.

The authorities involved here are not the police, they are council officials who are tasked with upholding the bylaws of the council. They did their job, she didn’t pay, she didn’t make contact to agree a payment schedule, she was prosecuted.

The Victim surcharge?

A New Labour thing that adds a surcharge to most fines, the money goes “into the pot” to help towards the cost of providing compensation grants for victims of crimes.

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Bett Nwar

There is no logic in prosecutions as policy is different throughout the country. Even police in some areas will prosecute an offence which in other areas merits 'filing'. It depends on who makes the ultimate decision on policy. Council workers are only the 'poor bloody infantry', blame the councillors and if you don't like them replace them.

Some of the old codgers I've met in UKIP would want single mothers prosecuted for every minor offence to get the benefits back off them. Don't assume a UKIP councillor won't have council officers lurking on every corner waiting to leap on any minor offender. Read some of the stuff on this forum about hanging and shooting miscreants and you can see what a UKIP or BNP future might be like.

g hall

word to note is claimed NOT proven

So you and others are happy that the state can and do do this rather then catch the criminals

And did you miss my point about consultation while you were busy defending the jobsworth state

Which translates as we can't be are5ed to catch and prosecute the real criminals

remember the phrase by the people from the people for the people

nowadays it appears to be screw the people from the elite for the elite

Hope City Care don't catch you out but it would quite amusing

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The Bear

In this case the council officers are entitled to issue a fixed penalty notice. The recipient then has choices. Contact the Council and negotiate time to pay, pay, or go to court to challenge the issuing of the fixed penalty.

She did NONE of these and was fined in her absence. (See Manchester Evening News)

I am content that a council upholds reasonable bylaws and in this case that is all they were doing.

This is not a matter of catching criminals, the people who issued the fixed penalty were doing their jobs which have nothing to do with catching criminals.

Why should there be consultation? In any case, consultation with who?

Look, in this particular case of the timely placement of bins there is a problem reported of vandalism by yobs that has a high cost to the council.

The result is that ALL the council tax payers have to pay more to cover this so why should irresponsible or uncooperative people not do what is reasonably required of them and in so doing make everyone pay for their slovenliness?

The council have a job to do, if in so doing they make an error of judgment, or if things are going wrong in some way with the services being provided by the council then the people in the district can and should raise the matter with their local councilor who will take the matter up at a general council meeting. It happens, by and large it works

No, it amounts to getting everyone found guilty of something sharing part of the costs of compensating those who deserve to be compensated following a criminal action and not leaving all the costs to fall on those tax payers who have done nothing wrong.

Doesn’t apply in Britain, it never has. I believe that it SHOULD, but that’s another matter.

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mkpdavies

The problem really, is you are FORCED to pay for this service, so you can't withdraw your business if you don't like the terms.

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Demanding money,with menaces is a very serious crime still.

TannyD

That is a disgraceful abuse of power, to use that and target a young mother.
They should be the ones hauled up in court for that, but as usual they can get away will intimidated people, what choice did she have? If she refused they would have used her kids against her, threating her with a spell in jail and social services looking after her kids...

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