Harbinger

So you lot are against the terror laws and ID cards are you?

So I guess you must be pro terrorist.

Explain

g hall

Why does this
mean this PLEASE explain

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Harbinger

If you dont understand the question you are unlikely to provide the answer.

Next?

Westcountryman

Oh yes, I forgot they stamped "terrorist" on your ID card!

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g hall

What question and did no one teach you to say PLEASE

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"That government is best which governs least."
"This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries".
"To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

Harbinger

Cute

Cant answer it then I presume

g hall

You made two unconnected statements therefore not a question try again and perhaps someone may give you and answer

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"That government is best which governs least."
"This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries".
"To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

Harbinger

Looks straight forward to me, anti terror laws good, people who oppose them support the terrorists.

Easy enough for you?

Westcountryman

Anti-terror laws represent an unwarranted and unwelcome intrusion into the liberties of British citizens.

You don't need draconian control measures or ID cards to prosecute terrorists. Detention without charge and ID cards go against everything a liberal democracy is supposed to stand for.

I don't want my details on an insecure government database, which the government plans to sell access to. The government has no right to demand such information from me, it has no right to ask for my fingerprints or my DNA. I am a free man, not a convicted criminal. The government works for ME, not the other way around.

Have you read 1984?

If you like your 'security' so much, move to China.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

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Harbinger

Terrorism is also unwanted do you agree?

Well the devil is in the detail there, you say liberal, says it all to me.

I am for the rights of the average person against the terrorist, you enlightened 'liberals' are for the criminal.

Indeed and you'd be the first to whine when victim of some easily preventable crime.

I've got bad news for you, your details are already on dozens of insecure databases.

I have, a book by a dissolusioned socialist written 60 odd years ago, did you see the 7/7 bombings? 9/11? madrid?


ID cards are hardly draconian, many other perfectly civilised countries have them what are you so afraid of? And we are only talking of extending custody without charge not abolishing it.