Smidgey

Then why on earth do you support them? Your original claim was that if we oppose them we support the terrorists. You are rather inconsistent are you not?

If they wont stop terrorism, why do you wish to keep track of people?

I would in a perfect world. The sad thing is, one needs one to get into another country. The analogy simply does not work. Passports are reliant upon what other nations do - I.D. cards are not.

It hasn't in other nations which have them.

No, I think anti-liberty left-wingers like yourself are the danger.

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Harbinger

Can you read? The answer is in my post


I dont, I want the police to track terrorists, obviously you dont.

Passport voluntary? I guess if you want to stay in th UK, if you want to leave however....

Wanting to ensure that an identity document actually identifies the person? How awful.




So tighten up law enforcement i am all for that.


Paranoid rubbish

LOL so I am supposed to believe the lovers of criminals 'liberty'?




There are too many legal immigrants, too many east europeans too many gypsies etc etc etc.

Oh and the 7/7 bombers were all second generation legal immigrants,that enough for you?

Westcountryman

Would appreciate it if you could show me where.

I want the Police to deal with actual suspects and convicted criminals. You obviously want to treat everyone as a potential criminal.

Yes, voluntary until you want to go abroad. And as Smidgey has said, it's a document in place only to adhere to international requirements, an ID card is no such thing.

I don't want to identity document at all. I am not accountable to the government, but rather the opposite is true.

No need for new legislation then.

Not so - the cases with the Councils are well documented - can you please tell me how this is 'paranoid'?

I don't think they're going to lie on something that is easily checked.

So you're a BNP member are you?

Most of the UK population are descended from immigrants somewhere along the line. Are we all suspected terrorists then? Also, being able to prove someone's identity isn't going to stop terrorism.

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Harbinger

If you are too lazy to read my post properly i am not inclined to help

No. I have nothing to hide, carrying an ID card is not beig treated s a criminal at all


Uh HUh so abandon the requirement for people to have them when entering the UK, would you approve of that? i doubt it.



Well lets hope you are never the victim of identity fraud then.

Proving your ID has nothing to do with being accountable.

Uhh yes


Because the details were made public. That very act shows that democraccy and freedom are alive and well.


LOL

So I have gone from a lefty labour member to BNP, interesting.


No, if you are looking for irish terrorists you look for recent irish immigrants, do the same for Muslims, Sikhs or whatever.

Common sense.

Westcountryman

Well I can't see any such argument, so I shall presume it's false until you come up with the goods.

What else do you call putting peoples DNA, iris scan and fingerprint onto a database? What gives the government the right to demand such information from me, when I have done nothing wrong? What's to stop people abusing the database? Are you happy with the fact the government intends to sell access to the database? There's also nothing to stop the government expanding/changing the use of the database in future. It's so wide open to abuse and controlling the population it's almost beyond belief.


It's still radically different from ID cards - which won't even be valid in other countries.

I have other methods of proving my identity. I do not need an ID card to do this, nor do I want one. If it's such a desirable system, pray tell why it's compulsory and not voluntary. Also, if you think ID cards are going to stop identity fraud then you're mistaken. If anything, it will make it worse - ID cards and the information on the National Identity Register will be a prime target for criminals.

Come back and say that in future when you're getting stopped by Policemen every 5 minutes whose first words will be "ID card please".

Why?

No, if freedom was alive and well we wouldn't be spied on in the first place.

Nothing to say public bodies will continue to publish such information. The outcry after the incident is surely enough to show that such intrusion into our lives in unwanted.

Generally most outspoken racists are.

If you really believe that's how things work in this Country at the moment then you're a bigger fool than I gave you credit for.

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tito

Harbinger:

Are you gay, straight or bisexual?

What is your favourite sexual position?

Please give us your name, address and telephone numbers.

Please could you also post your entire medical history.

If you refuse any of the above you clearly have something to hide. Does having private information make you a terrorist?

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Roland

Harbinger

So lets get this straight.

You fear the threat of terrorism.

Surely if the threat of terrorism is so great the first thing to do is close the borders.

Is that not the most obvious thing to do?

But no not this government, they allow any one in have no idea who they are or where they are and then tell us we must all be what amounts to being micro chipped.

One more point to think about. It's estimated the cost would be 20 billion pounds and could be far greater than that. So we the people of this country are expected to pay for that even though by your own admittance it will not stop terrorism. Do you not think 20 billion pounds could not be spent else where?

Sorry but you are a mug.

We had years of being attacked by the IRA who did far more damage over the years than suicide bombers and we said we will not let terrorism change our way of life and as soon as we cold get on with it we carried on business as usual. Now Blair said we will not let terrorism change our way life then started to remove civil liberties.

Get this into your head the attack is not on terrorists it is on us. If you think the Hitlers and Starlin's of this world our a thing of the past then may be you should start paying a bit more attention to whats going on in the world.

tito

I'd say the first thing to do is to destroy the ideological enemy; harsh as it sounds the only way to do this, as history has shown, is to destroy their pride.

End States Who Sponsor Terrorism

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Ea of Dune

I've just read a report from the Black Hat security conference in Washington DC.
There was a section devoted to discussing the effect that RFID chips will have on security etc. as you may be aware the US has already started using them in passports and I believe most of the Euro banknotes contain them, as will the proposed ID cards.

One of the gentlemen at the show, showed how easy it was to write a script that could be used in conjunction with a RFID chip reader (these are cheap to buy, and the code can be downloaded for free) to copy the details from an RFID chip which was contained inside a wallet. The potential for abuse is very obvious. He then went on to show how you can write over the chip, and gave an example of swapping the RFID chip content to that of a pet dog.

Do I trust this government to stick all of my details on an RFID chip..... NO!

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The Bear

Your details will not be on the RFID chip. The number on the RFID chip will "point" to a database entry and it is there on that database that your details, and more, will reside

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