Question Anti terror laws and ID cards

Harbinger · 16-05-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HighlandFP

Harbinger, young lady, according to Harbinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
you are a sign of things to come. Throughout history and literature, harbingers and omens figure prominently, and are responsible for major decisions which have altered the course of both.

If you, Harbringer are the Antichrist or a prophet then...........
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The Bear, "understand big databases.

I understand them very well indeed.

One thing often overlooked is that data in itself is useless. It is only when data is used to extract or create information that the value kicks in, but the extraction of data, so called data mining, is a real pain. "

Bear darlink, were we at university together? I did Information Management at Abertay Dundee 2002.
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g_hall "The Bear is right and anyone who has worked in relational database creation or management would agree with him.
The information on the db is only as good as what is put in by the inputters, we all know GIGO.
Then you have to retrieve it in some meaningful way that makes sense and I would imagine the relational and key structures would be "interesting""

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I think I mentioned to Hardvark that I am keeping a db of his witterings on this forum for eventuale crimminal proceedings.

If our fascist government can store the data created in this whore hoose - then so can I.

Shouldnt you be kicking a policeman in mancehester wth the rest of your drunken brethren?

Aardvark · 16-05-2008, 09:22 PM

'Ighland FP, have you collated all of my posts for my future prosecution? There are some good ones, don't you think?

Harbinger, 'Ighland FP is one of the many resident 'eccentrics' who inhabit this forum. I think he is a troll much as you are.

This country has fought terrorism in many guises without the need for ID cards and unreasonable periods of detention without charge. The money wasted on ID cards, which have not stopped terrorism anywhere else in the world, would be better spent on additional counter-terrorism resources and more intelligence gathering. A skilled terrorist would work round ID cards. All 7/7 terrorists would have been given an ID card without question. All the 9/11 terrorists had passports and visas to enter the USA and all were able to buy airline tickets; they would still be able to do so today.

What was lacking was proactive and covert counter terrorist measures.

Terrorists can still be detained for months on end if necessary. What is required is that basic evidence is placed before a court of law prior to remand in custody. Any of us could be confused for a terrorist and I for one would not like to be held incognito without charge or, potentially, access to legal representation for weeks on end.

Terrorists win when civilised societies implement draconian measures on all of their citizens or subjects to oppose them. The number of terrorists is minimal, but 60 million of us are likely to be subject to rules supposedly designed to counter terrorism. It's not a logical thing to do and plays into the hands of the extremists.

HighlandFP · 20-05-2008, 11:31 PM

Most terrorists are shot 6 times on the London underground so no need for ID cards.

Hartlepool · 21-05-2008, 12:15 AM

HFP,what punishments should be metted out to terrorists who are captured in this country,regardless of them being muslims or not?

Harbinger · 22-05-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

'Ighland FP, have you collated all of my posts for my future prosecution? There are some good ones, don't you think?

Harbinger, 'Ighland FP is one of the many resident 'eccentrics' who inhabit this forum. I think he is a troll much as you are.

This country has fought terrorism in many guises without the need for ID cards and unreasonable periods of detention without charge. The money wasted on ID cards, which have not stopped terrorism anywhere else in the world, would be better spent on additional counter-terrorism resources and more intelligence gathering. A skilled terrorist would work round ID cards. All 7/7 terrorists would have been given an ID card without question. All the 9/11 terrorists had passports and visas to enter the USA and all were able to buy airline tickets; they would still be able to do so today.

What was lacking was proactive and covert counter terrorist measures.

Terrorists can still be detained for months on end if necessary. What is required is that basic evidence is placed before a court of law prior to remand in custody. Any of us could be confused for a terrorist and I for one would not like to be held incognito without charge or, potentially, access to legal representation for weeks on end.

Terrorists win when civilised societies implement draconian measures on all of their citizens or subjects to oppose them. The number of terrorists is minimal, but 60 million of us are likely to be subject to rules supposedly designed to counter terrorism. It's not a logical thing to do and plays into the hands of the extremists.

Well no not really, terrorists win when they blow loads of people up.

ID cards do not stop terrorism but they are a useful tool in the armoury.

Westcountryman · 22-05-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

ID cards do not stop terrorism but they are a useful tool in the armoury.

How? You've just admitted they don't stop terrorism, so how is it a useful tool?

Harbinger · 22-05-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

How? You've just admitted they don't stop terrorism, so how is it a useful tool?

When you leave your house do you lock the door? Yes?

Why?

Locking your door wont stop a burglar so why do it?

Reason is that it is one more barrier for them to get over before they run off with your DVD player.

Westcountryman · 22-05-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

When you leave your house do you lock the door? Yes?

Why?

Locking your door wont stop a burglar so why do it?

Reason is that it is one more barrier for them to get over before they run off with your DVD player.

How is an ID card an extra barrier to detonating an explosive?

Harbinger · 22-05-2008, 08:20 PM

Why is a passport a barrier to illegal immigration, why is a driving license a barrier to unlicensed drivers.

This and a million more moronic questions by westcountrybumpkin.

Westcountryman · 22-05-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

Why is a passport a barrier to illegal immigration,

It's not, hence the whole problem of illegal immigration!

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

why is a driving license a barrier to unlicensed drivers.

Again, it's not, hence unlicensed drivers being prosecuted on a daily basis. The only thing it allows is for the Police to check to see if a person holds a licence. You can't check to see if a person is a terrorist on a database!

So I ask again, how is an ID card a barrier to terrorism?

16-05-2008, 09:22 PM	#52 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,692	'Ighland FP, have you collated all of my posts for my future prosecution? There are some good ones, don't you think? Harbinger, 'Ighland FP is one of the many resident 'eccentrics' who inhabit this forum. I think he is a troll much as you are. This country has fought terrorism in many guises without the need for ID cards and unreasonable periods of detention without charge. The money wasted on ID cards, which have not stopped terrorism anywhere else in the world, would be better spent on additional counter-terrorism resources and more intelligence gathering. A skilled terrorist would work round ID cards. All 7/7 terrorists would have been given an ID card without question. All the 9/11 terrorists had passports and visas to enter the USA and all were able to buy airline tickets; they would still be able to do so today. What was lacking was proactive and covert counter terrorist measures. Terrorists can still be detained for months on end if necessary. What is required is that basic evidence is placed before a court of law prior to remand in custody. Any of us could be confused for a terrorist and I for one would not like to be held incognito without charge or, potentially, access to legal representation for weeks on end. Terrorists win when civilised societies implement draconian measures on all of their citizens or subjects to oppose them. The number of terrorists is minimal, but 60 million of us are likely to be subject to rules supposedly designed to counter terrorism. It's not a logical thing to do and plays into the hands of the extremists. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

20-05-2008, 11:31 PM	#53 (permalink)
HighlandFP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ross-shire Highlands SCOTLAND Posts: 586 Party: Other	Most terrorists are shot 6 times on the London underground so no need for ID cards. __________________ WARNING: By reading or downloading this post you may be committing an offence under some or all of these Terrorism Acts. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/securit...m-and-the-law/ EU = Ein Volk ~ Ein Reich.

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21-05-2008, 12:15 AM	#54 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,642 Party: Other	HFP,what punishments should be metted out to terrorists who are captured in this country,regardless of them being muslims or not?

22-05-2008, 08:20 PM	#59 (permalink)
Harbinger Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 159 Party: None	Why is a passport a barrier to illegal immigration, why is a driving license a barrier to unlicensed drivers. This and a million more moronic questions by westcountrybumpkin.