Ea of Dune

OK thus allowing somebody to steal the "number" and produce fake cards. Either way it's a pretty bad idea, as the RFID creep will nodoubt happen.
If you have worked in I.T you will understand exactly why people such as myself are very much against the I.D cards.

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The Bear

Too right.

All too often people take what their 'puter tells them as verbatim.

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Oops looks like the RFID chips in British passports carry more then just a "number":

Security expert cracks RFID chip in U.K. passport - Network World

and this article is interesting reading:

Hacker cracks ID card technology :: Contractor UK

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The Bear

But to be strictly accurate they're not RFID chips in the generally accepted use of the term.

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Splitting hairs really Bear as the technologies are all very similar, let's not go down the route of Andy Burnham MP shall we:

'RFID tag' - the rude words ID card ministers won't say | The Register

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harryaldridge

1. ID cards are not 100% 'secure'. They are open to fraud

Biometrics cannot be faked, but the data they link to can be. A fingerprint has to be linked to a name, address, DoB, etc.

What can be made by man can be faked by man.

2. The government's primary function is to protect our freedom, not security

It is often said the prime function of government is security. This has evolved out of the prime function being defence. Neither is accurate, although the latter is mis-quoted.

The 'right' to defence/security is not an exclusive objective which justifies the tramplig of other freedoms. Freedoms are not contradictory, they are complimentary; they lean against each other in mutual support. Erode just one or two and the system breaks down.

3. Broad powers provided by terror laws make police lazy

Terror laws provide wide ranging and ambiguous powers. Police will start using the powers other than for the purpose intended since it is an eays option. Why bother working hard to produce evidence when you can collar somebody under an ambiguous power?

Just think of Walter Wolfgang, or the lady falling fowl of the law at the senitaph. Or the driver caught because he had a dirty number plate which could obscure identty from security cameras. These are abuses of terror powers. What is the advantage in surrendering freedoms?

In the end what are we trying to protect ourselves from? We have no need to protect our freedom from terrorists when we hand it away to our own government!

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Harbinger

Apart from sexual position the all that stuff is already on file somewhere the Govt can find out that and more if they have the inclination because they are ,well the government.

ID cards wont alter that one iota.

yeah whatever

So where are they currently abusing the millions already on the police national computer? Where are all the abuses of the people currently on the DNA database?

You are paranoid

It takes a pretty clever criminal to break into the database. At the moment pretty much anyone with half a brain can take your identity.

It wont stop identity theft in total but it will cut out 99.999%

So?


LOL


Thats rich from a UKIP'er.


It's how things should work

g hall

Harbinger you are really Jacqui Smith in disguise and I claim my prize

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A Terrorist is someone who flies over a country - drops Depleted uranium bombs - and flies back to his own country and goes to church.

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The Bear, "understand big databases.

I understand them very well indeed.

One thing often overlooked is that data in itself is useless. It is only when data is used to extract or create information that the value kicks in, but the extraction of data, so called data mining, is a real pain. "

Bear darlink, were we at university together? I did Information Management at Abertay Dundee 2002.
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g_hall "The Bear is right and anyone who has worked in relational database creation or management would agree with him.
The information on the db is only as good as what is put in by the inputters, we all know GIGO.
Then you have to retrieve it in some meaningful way that makes sense and I would imagine the relational and key structures would be "interesting""

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I think I mentioned to Hardvark that I am keeping a db of his witterings on this forum for eventuale crimminal proceedings.

If our fascist government can store the data created in this whore hoose - then so can I.

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