Father who flew Jolly Roger for daughter's birthday prosecuted by council

John in Scotland · 10-05-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Nothing looks worse than football flags, sheets inscribed 'Sharon is 30' and other such disgusting trash hung out of windows.

On aesthetic grounds, I quite agree. The matter for debate, however, is the point at which the law intervenes.

The thing that I particularly dislike is the craze that has appeared in the last few years for festooning homes and gardens with outdoor lights for a few weeks during December and January. The flashing ones are particularly tacky. If you want to have a Christmas tree in your window, fair enough, but inflicting flashing lights on all your neighbours is over the top.

If the law bans such trifles as Jolly Rogers, I would have thought these outdoor flashing Christmas decorations would warrant a custodial sentence.

mkpdavies · 10-05-2008, 10:51 AM

Do Lib Dem posters count as flags? If not, why not?

C_steam · 10-05-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

Well sorry, guys, but I can see the sense in this. ...

5 feet by 3 feet, that’s not far short of the size of a single bed sheet. Hanging out in front of a house in a residential area.

.....We also know that he left the thing in place for days

....it actually looks far more like a guy with a family that are causing concern by their behaviour to at least some of his neighbours bringing down the “tone” of where he lives even further

Agreed. Ignorant ******* should be shot. Next thing he'll be pebble dashing the front of his house, or fitting uPVC windows. We mUSt not tolerate this! It's the thin end of the wedge, and it'll end up in tears with cobbled driveways, conifers and an extension.

Why can't people learn that they can only LIVE in a house to our rules, and not think or act as if it is theirs to do what they want with?

The Bear · 10-05-2008, 12:59 PM

Where I live here in Norfolk I would need to apply for planning permission to pebble dash my house (which would probably not be granted) and likewise to fit non-sash windows, again unlikely to be granted. I accept that is because I live in a “listed” building but the principle applies.

It’s about neighbourhoods and neighbours. If people have taken care with their homes and have pride in the appearance of their homes and neighbourhoods, is it really so wrong to have agreed standards, agreed by the majority ar by the representatives of the electorate?

Isn’t that what democracy is all about, establishing laws and regulations by the elected bodies?

Mikeuk · 10-05-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I am going to fly a Jolly Roger outside my house now and also a Millwall flag.

Why not make it a hat trick and fly the Tory tree flag as well.

That way you'll be sure of getting a brick through your window.

Mikeuk · 10-05-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by John in Scotland

The thing that I particularly dislike is the craze that has appeared in the last few years for festooning homes and gardens with outdoor lights for a few weeks during December and January. The flashing ones are particularly tacky. If you want to have a Christmas tree in your window, fair enough, but inflicting flashing lights on all your neighbours is over the top.

We quite enjoy looking at these displays - as long as they aren't in our street. I saw some amazing house illuminations in America a few years back.

I outshine all my neighbours with Christmas bling. We have a holly wreath on the front door and Swedish candle lights in two of the front windows.

I hope no one thinks we are overdoing it.

g hall · 10-05-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

Where I live here in Norfolk I would need to apply for planning permission to pebble dash my house (which would probably not be granted) and likewise to fit non-sash windows, again unlikely to be granted. I accept that is because I live in a “listed” building but the principle applies.

Most if not all of Norfolk and Suffolk is "listed" as in leans one way or another

On the Huh spring to mind

BTW If you drive into Norwich from Trowse as you come up the hill at Bracondale there is a house which I have seen flying both The Jolly Roger and The French Tricolour which I suppose on reflection is about right

As for Christmas lights apart from the odd property with a small string of white or coloured lights virtually all the others are about as tasteful as a pile of dog cr@p - bah humbug

Englishdan · 10-05-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

Well sorry, guys, but I can see the sense in this. If I lived in a group of houses and someone chose to fly a darned big flag such as that, be it the Jolly Roger or the Union flag and all things in-between in the way that he did, I would not be greatly impressed.

Let’s look at the facts.

For one thing we don’t know when his daughters birthday was, all we do know is that the council received a complaint on April 16th.

He was SENT a letter on April 21st, that’s 5 days later telling him he had 7 days to take the horrible big thing down, and big it certainly was.

5 feet by 3 feet, that’s not far short of the size of a single bed sheet. Hanging out in front of a house in a residential area.

We also know that he left the thing in place for days after the party, we have to wonder why.

Why he left such an inappropriate thing hanging outside a house in what otherwise looks like a quite respectable area.

We also read that his kids behaviour has been cause for complaint in the past, so maybe there’s more to this than just a guy being pilloried for being a bit eccentric and there’s more than a little “let’s wind them up” dimension involved on his part.

So rather than it being a guy being persecuted by some “jobsworth” it actually looks far more like a guy with a family that are causing concern by their behaviour to at least some of his neighbours bringing down the “tone” of where he lives even further and the local council doing their job and tackling overt acts that are simply wrong for the neighbourhood.

That’s the problem with the gutter press.

So often they pre-digest a story and present it in a way that so much of the real meat is lost in the pursuit of sensationalism and impact in order to draw and hold the crowds.

you wanna get a life, if's, but's, maybe's, possible's, "you wouldn't be impressed". who are you hanging judge jefferies

Harbinger · 10-05-2008, 07:33 PM

Some chav gets taken to court for making his house look an even bigger hit tip than it already was and this is news?

g hall · 10-05-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

Some chav gets taken to court for making his house look an even bigger hit tip than it already was and this is news?

His house why can't he do as he chooses ?

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The Bear Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 1,730	Where I live here in Norfolk I would need to apply for planning permission to pebble dash my house (which would probably not be granted) and likewise to fit non-sash windows, again unlikely to be granted. I accept that is because I live in a “listed” building but the principle applies. It’s about neighbourhoods and neighbours. If people have taken care with their homes and have pride in the appearance of their homes and neighbourhoods, is it really so wrong to have agreed standards, agreed by the majority ar by the representatives of the electorate? Isn’t that what democracy is all about, establishing laws and regulations by the elected bodies? __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

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Harbinger Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 151 Party: None	Some chav gets taken to court for making his house look an even bigger hit tip than it already was and this is news?