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Old 06-05-2008, 05:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arrow CCTV has failed to cut crime despite huge investment in camera systems

CCTV has failed to cut crime despite huge investment in camera systems, a senior police officer has said.

Det Chief Insp Mike Neville, head of Scotland Yard's Visual Images, Identifications and Detections Office (Viido) said cameras do not act as a deterrent as many criminals assume they are not working.

And he admitted some police officers do not want to look through CCTV images "because it's hard work".

DCI Neville said only 3% of London's street robberies had been solved using CCTV images.

"Billions of pounds has been spent on kit, but no thought has gone into how the police are going to use the images and how they will be used in court. It's been an utter fiasco," he told the Security Document World Conference in London.

Scotland Yard is hoping to raise conviction rates in cases where there is CCTV evidence by putting images on the internet from next month and creating a database of images to track and identify offenders which could become a national resource for police.

DCI Neville said images are already being collated from thefts, robberies and more serious crimes across London.

"If criminals see that CCTV works they are less likely to commit crimes," he said.
DCI Neville said there needs to be more training to help officers use CCTV evidence and develop a constructive relationship with CCTV operators.

Source: Police News - Senior Officer Slams CCTV Failure
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Yeah but just think of all the dosh we're now gonna rake in off the poor bloody motorist
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Yeah but just think of all the dosh we're now gonna rake in off the poor bloody motorist
Plus we get to spy on you all day long aswell.
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This is old news really. I remember reading ages ago, that where CCTV was installed, there was an initial drop in crime, but this quickly returned to normal.

The crims either find blackspots where the cameras can't see, wear hoods etc, or brazenly commit crime anyway, safe in the knowledge that these cameras are limitited in their capabilities.

Knaphill (my village) have blow a shed load of cash on the stupid things and it has made nil difference to crime levels. Indeed, all it seems to have done, is see criminals targeting peoples homes instead of shops. Great.
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I never advocate violence but I'm starting to think there might be room for a "smash a CCTV camera" campaign.

After all, vandalism has just been removed from the official crime figures anyway.....
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I never advocate violence but I'm starting to think there might be room for a "smash a CCTV camera" campaign.

After all, vandalism has just been removed from the official crime figures anyway.....
Would air rifles or BB guns be powerful enough ?
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Of course there could always be option 2. That crime has increased over the last few years and had it not been for CCTV then the situation would have been even worse.

Apart from that the recent trials of terrorist scum reported on television often showed CCTV images where the actions of the things that did what they did helped no end in tracking them down and no doubt gathering further evidence to gain a conviction.

It’s a shame these “Strangers From a Strange Land” have introduced a whole new factor to what was simple blagging and the like that has made novel means of crime detection necessary.

Yet another spin off from multiculturalism.
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Of course there could always be option 2. That crime has increased over the last few years and had it not been for CCTV then the situation would have been even worse.
Why do they say serious crime is going down

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Apart from that the recent trials of terrorist scum reported on television often showed CCTV images where the actions of the things that did what they did helped no end in tracking them down and no doubt gathering further evidence to gain a conviction.

It’s a shame these “Strangers From a Strange Land” have introduced a whole new factor to what was simple blagging and the like that has made novel means of crime detection necessary.

Yet another spin off from multiculturalism.
What does a book by Robert A Heinlein have to do with anything


Stranger in a Strange Land - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An excellent book though
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I never advocate violence but I'm starting to think there might be room for a "smash a CCTV camera" campaign.

After all, vandalism has just been removed from the official crime figures anyway.....
SWIM has often thought this might be a good idea. SWIM feels also it sounds like great fun.
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Nothing at all, I wrote “Strangers from a Strange Land”, note FROM, not IN.

Consder also the word “Land” as having a far more broad meaning than simply “land”, a thing that should be clear considering the context in which I used the phrase as I intended it to include not just location but also to include ideology and perception of the world and more.
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