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BonnieDundee

The problem is that British county councils have very little power over such things. Unfortunately the legislature in Westminster has almost absolute power, only limited by fear of a public backlash.

I think Cornwall and other places simply need more autonomy and a larger ability to resist such measures.

Rebirth

You oppose county councils and prefer regionlisation? You say more autonomy for Cornwall and 'other places'?

Why should Cornwall have 'special treatment' compared to other places in the Yoo Kay? Don't get me wrong I oppose such legislation, I just do not see how tearing nations up solves anything, except to weaken the whole island.

Cornish not English <--Pro-EU, anti-English drivel! Of course I do not believe they speak for all in Cornwall, as they are just part of the anti-English bloc.

BonnieDundee

It is better because firstly it would bring power closer to the people being governed, and secondly it might help prevent more legislative absolutism.

The wish to force gov't of Westminister on the people of Cornwall or Wales or Scotland is little different from wanting to force the EU on Westminister. If the people want autonomy, they should have it.

Rebirth

And what about England? You know, 85% of the population of the Yoo Kay. Why not just have full independence for all? Westminster is the British government, with MP's from all parts of the Yoo Kay and is dominated by Scottish MP's. Devolution has NOT done any good for the majority, in fact it is unfair and undemocratic.

And how does regional governments help when they will just be puppets to the EU?

BonnieDundee

I'd hope they would defend their autonomy against the EU like the Isle of Mann does I believe.

But certainly it should not be undemocratic and Scotland or Cornwall should have no unfair power over the rest of the UK, they should however have most power over Scotland and Cornwall. I'd personally suggest the rest of the UK become more regionalised as well, but that has less popular support unfortunately.

Rebirth

Unfortunately for who? I am all for full independence for all three nations and if Cornwall wants full independence to then so be it.

BonnieDundee

Me too ultimately although I see little wrong with a confederation in the short term.

By unfortunately I meant there is not too much support, as of now, for things like a Wessex or a Mercian or North-west England regional assembly in England with some actual power. I think these would be a good idea. There certainly parties and groups who support all these though, which I again think is good.

Rebirth

Power devolved is power retained?

The problem is not Westminster, but those inside of it, or rather, all the main players. By dividing England up, you are just following the EU plans that go back to the 1970's.

I am firmly against the NuLab "Nations and Regions" slogan.

Divide and Conquer.

BonnieDundee

Have you ever read Leopold Kohr's The breakdown of nations?

Amazon.com: The Breakdown of Nations: Leopold...
I really recommend it, you can read excerpts and other works here.

Leopold Kohr Online
Leopold Kohr Online

The use and misuse of power tends to increase, all things being equal, with the size of social units. There is a reason why tyranny and centralisation have, historically, always gone hand-in-hand. Power would hoefully lessen as the gov't becomes closer to the people, hence more oversight and as its resources diminish. It of course would take work and vigilance.

It may however also increase local loyalties and the will to defend democracy and autonomy against the sham of the EU. Whether or not these regions succumb to the EU is up to them but even on a practical scale the EU would need the agreement of several "gov'ts" rather than one which would make it harder.

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Leopold Kohr.