Cornwall County Council Opposes ID Cards

Rebirth · 05-04-2008, 02:53 AM

The Scottish Nationalist Party is pro-EU. The Cornish nationalists also appear to be pro-EU. It was the EU that planned regionalisation in England, because that is how the whole country will be dictated to when they abolish Westminster.

BonnieDundee · 05-04-2008, 02:57 AM

This does not mean it has to be this way. The gov't of Westminister is against such things so it is only natural some would look to the EU. But it doesn't mean that must always be so.

And I'd be surprised if even these parties really wanted to surrender much to the EU after they'd fought so long for more autonomy.

Rebirth · 05-04-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

This does not mean it has to be this way. The gov't of Westminister is against such things so it is only natural some would look to the EU. But it doesn't mean that must always be so.

So why only England? Why shouldn't all countries in the UK and the world be broken up against it's will?

Always be in the EU? I didn't think any country was allowed to leave, they aren't even given an option to enter it.

BonnieDundee · 05-04-2008, 03:11 AM

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So why only England? Why shouldn't all countries in the UK and the world be broken up against it's will?

I wasn't suggesting against their will at all. Hence I said it is unfortunate that there is not a support for this. So I don't know why you keep bringing will into it. I would only support it if the people did. But that doesn't mean that I'd be against say independence for Wessex if the people there wanted it and the rest of England did not, simply that if a region did not want independence I wouldn't be for forcing them(unless every other region wanted to break away of course.).

And I do think that Scotland too might benefit from being split into two or three.

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Always be in the EU? I didn't think any country was allowed to leave, they aren't even given an option to enter it.

I think that they are free to leave if they wish. What can really be done to stop them? Of course they'd have to face all sorts of "punishments" like not being in the free trade zone etc etc.

Rebirth · 05-04-2008, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I think that they are free to leave if they wish. What can really be done to stop them? Of course they'd have to face all sorts of "punishments" like not being in the free trade zone etc etc.

Mass-immigration and multiculturalism(PC term for cultural destruction) is one way to force a nation on it's knees. Everything else is paperwork.

BonnieDundee · 05-04-2008, 03:22 AM

I too, although I'm socially progressive and probably more left than right, can see the problem with such action, particularly as a decentralist. It weakens a regions links to its past and common heritage.

Rebirth · 05-04-2008, 03:31 AM

LEft and right, both have their good and bad points and I follow neither, as in, I have views from all angles. An open-society is a nice idea, but we have to remember not everyone sees everything the same way and would see it as a weakness and abuse it, which is where some right-views come in.

I like the idea of being de-centralist, which is why I oppose the EU and even more so since I have learned a few things about it. You see the way forward is to divide power up, I see that as an illusion and that this is more of a time to unite. We just don't have anyone who really represents us at the central core of the UK, if they did listen then the problems wouldn't be nearly as bad.

BonnieDundee · 05-04-2008, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebirth

LEft and right, both have their good and bad points and I follow neither, as in, I have views from all angles. An open-society is a nice idea, but we have to remember not everyone sees everything the same way and would see it as a weakness and abuse it, which is where some right-views come in.

I like the idea of being de-centralist, which is why I oppose the EU and even more so since I have learned a few things about it. You see the way forward is to divide power up, I see that as an illusion and that this is more of a time to unite. We just don't have anyone who really represents us at the central core of the UK, if they did listen then the problems wouldn't be nearly as bad.

I think the problems are ultimately structural, you cannot hope for such a small elite of people, so far away from the people to really represent them.

BonnieDundee · 05-04-2008, 08:02 AM

Rebirth, don't get me wrong, I've not advocating further British decentralism as a miracle cure for the EU.

I think it might help but not without alot of further action. I simply advocate it as a good thing in general and something which might help with the Westminister legislature's absolutism and comparatively small say(compared with the states in places like the US and Australia.) of counties and other regional authorities.

Westcountryman · 12-05-2008, 03:38 AM

The Council have now published a news article to this end:

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Originally Posted by Cornwall County Council

Cornwall County Council Opposes Introduction Of National Identity Card Scheme

Cornwall County Council is to write to the Government opposing the introduction of its proposed identity card scheme.

Members at this week's meeting of the full County Council supported a Motion proposed by County Councillors Sally Bain and Alec Robertson opposing the national identity card scheme.

Proposing the Motion to write to the Government outlining the Council's opposition, Sally Bain said she had serious concerns both over the costs of the scheme and the security of any information held by the Government. "The Government does not have a good record on protecting the security of personal information" she said.

Her concerns were shared by Alec Robertson who said while he did not object to the idea of identity cards in principle, he felt that implementing the Government's proposal would be both hugely expensive and highly complex .

"As a former member of the Armed Forces , I am not opposed to identify cards, but I cannot support this scheme" he said.

County Councillor Cait Hutchings ( Lib Dem) asked that the Council made it clear that it would also be opposed to taking part in any pilot schemes or feasibility studies prior to the national scheme being introduced.

Source: Cornwall County Council - Cornwall County Council Opposes Introduction Of National Identity Card Scheme

05-04-2008, 02:57 AM	#12 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,201	This does not mean it has to be this way. The gov't of Westminister is against such things so it is only natural some would look to the EU. But it doesn't mean that must always be so. And I'd be surprised if even these parties really wanted to surrender much to the EU after they'd fought so long for more autonomy. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr. Last edited by BonnieDundee; 05-04-2008 at 02:59 AM.

05-04-2008, 03:22 AM	#16 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,201	I too, although I'm socially progressive and probably more left than right, can see the problem with such action, particularly as a decentralist. It weakens a regions links to its past and common heritage. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

05-04-2008, 03:31 AM	#17 (permalink)
Rebirth Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 353	LEft and right, both have their good and bad points and I follow neither, as in, I have views from all angles. An open-society is a nice idea, but we have to remember not everyone sees everything the same way and would see it as a weakness and abuse it, which is where some right-views come in. I like the idea of being de-centralist, which is why I oppose the EU and even more so since I have learned a few things about it. You see the way forward is to divide power up, I see that as an illusion and that this is more of a time to unite. We just don't have anyone who really represents us at the central core of the UK, if they did listen then the problems wouldn't be nearly as bad. Last edited by Rebirth; 05-04-2008 at 03:43 AM.

05-04-2008, 08:02 AM	#19 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,201	Rebirth, don't get me wrong, I've not advocating further British decentralism as a miracle cure for the EU. I think it might help but not without alot of further action. I simply advocate it as a good thing in general and something which might help with the Westminister legislature's absolutism and comparatively small say(compared with the states in places like the US and Australia.) of counties and other regional authorities. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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05-04-2008, 02:53 AM	#11 (permalink)
Rebirth Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 353	The Scottish Nationalist Party is pro-EU. The Cornish nationalists also appear to be pro-EU. It was the EU that planned regionalisation in England, because that is how the whole country will be dictated to when they abolish Westminster.