Smoking drivers risk prosecution

NickIrons · 29-09-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AlanA

This is yet another disaster for the British peoples freedom waiting to happen.
Apathy reigns supreme. When are people actually going to stand up, and say enough is enough?
If we look at the smoking ban, it is already clear, that after some initial dissent, and disapproval, apathy has set in.
If we look at this website as an example, there are extremely few postings now regarding the smoking ban. So, even amongst the so-called political activists on this site, apathy rules supreme.
Where is the old sense of British fairplay ? Where is the old British stiff upper lip ? Where is the thin red line ? Where is the British backbone ?
All consigned to the dustbin of history, and replaced by a population of multicultural, do-gooding jobsworths and sycophants !
Churchill, Wellington, Cromwell etc etc would turn in their graves if they knew the depths we have now plumbed !

Bloody hell, that was a rant and a half!!!!!!

And I agree with every word of it!!!
Top post.

Tara · 30-09-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AlanA

Where is the British backbone ?
All consigned to the dustbin of history, and replaced by a population of multicultural, do-gooding jobsworths and sycophants !
Churchill, Wellington, Cromwell etc etc would turn in their graves if they knew the depths we have now plumbed !

Indeed. We're now a nation of wimps, the men and I say men and not women, are the ones that should be uprising and organising some kind of revolution to save our county and quite frankly, they deserve all that is coming to them. The men of this country are a disgrace.

youcanhandlethetruth · 02-10-2007, 03:30 AM

True, but most of the women aren't much better.
I'm not referring to you by the way !

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Originally Posted by tara

Indeed. We're now a nation of wimps, the men and I say men and not women, are the ones that should be uprising and organising some kind of revolution to save our county and quite frankly, they deserve all that is coming to them. The men of this country are a disgrace.

paullotion · 02-10-2007, 03:02 PM

Totally agree,we need to get the message outthere.What is needed in this country is a media outlet like the Genesis Communication Network who have Alex Jones,Jack Blood and Dave Von Kliest to name a few.

When the film Taking Liberties is uploaded to Google video get it out to all uk forums as well as the streets.Many people do not know this film exists.
MySpace.com - Taking Liberties - UK - www.myspace.com/takinglibertiesuk
http://motionographer.com/media/simo...iberties_2.mov

We also need to make sure we limit the power of Government in our lives and to put a stop to them using our money for there freebies.

arden forester · 02-10-2007, 03:58 PM

I think this latest go at the motorist is a bit OTT. But I do support and encourage RESPONSIBLE DRIVING!

Let's say no to the nanny state but yes to a pride in civic responsibility.

Driving whilst -

1. Using a hand-held mobile phone (now illegal)
2. Holding a cigarette so it doesn't burn the fingers
3. Chomping on a sandwich (greasy fingers all over the steering wheel!)
4. Opening an A to Z of Anytown over the steering wheel
5. Trying to blow one's nose
6. Putting on make-up (both sexes apparently!)

are DEFINITELY NOT aspects of good driving.

Surely it would be better for people to know this themselves rather than arrogantly carry on until the nanny state types make things twice as bad in their own image!

John Carter · 02-10-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

Driving whilst -

2. Holding a cigarette so it doesn't burn the fingers

are DEFINITELY NOT aspects of good driving.

Was this a quote from somewhere else, Arden? Or have you never held a ciggie in your life?

arden forester · 03-10-2007, 10:08 AM

Sorry to disappoint John, but I have never smoked. Not out of any moral high ground principle but just that I don't like the taste of it! I tried in my teens at parties, etc, so I could truthfully admit to holding one or two.

By the way, they are not quotes, just my observations of people I have driven with or watched driving!

John Carter · 03-10-2007, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arden forester

Sorry to disappoint John, but I have never smoked. Not out of any moral high ground principle but just that I don't like the taste of it! I tried in my teens at parties, etc, so I could truthfully admit to holding one or two.

By the way, they are not quotes, just my observations of people I have driven with or watched driving!

Well then, Arden, as a smoker who knows lots of people who smoke, I can assure you that "holding a cigarette so it doesn't burn the fingers" is in no way detrimental to driving.
For the vast majority of smokers, this is an automatic a thing as you breathing or scratching your leg.

From experience, I can tell you what distracts me on the road:

*) Having to keep to 30 MPH (basically it bores me to the point of sleep).
*) Not having a fag.
*) The girl waiting at the bus stop when I was on a visit to see my mum yesterday.

Smoking a fag simply doesn't distract at all.

arden forester · 03-10-2007, 11:21 AM

Well, I hear your point (or read it as we're on a forum!) but I'm afraid I don't agree, except to say that it is not inevitable that an accident will happen from such activity but if one did, then it is more than likely a contributing factor.

Tara · 03-10-2007, 01:53 PM

Lorry driver caught smoking in his cab by dog warden is fined £260 | the Daily Mail

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Lorry driver caught smoking in his cab by dog warden is fined £260

A lorry driver was fined £260 yesterday for smoking in his cab.

Leonard King is one of the first to fall foul of regulations that stop workers lighting up in business vehicles.

His lorry, which carried a no smoking sign, was parked when a council dog warden spotted him puffing away.

The official decided to take down the number plate when Mr King flicked his finished cigarette out of the window and drove off.

The vehicle was traced to Rhyl, North Wales, where anti-smoking legislation was introduced in April, three months ahead of England.

Work vehicles used by more than one

person must be 'smoke-free at all times', according to the Department of Health. Only work vehicles used by a single driver are exempt.

Mr King, a father of two, was issued with fixed penalties for smoking illegally in his cab and for littering.

Yesterday, the 55-year-old pleaded guilty by letter to Llandudno magistrates.

The court fined him £75 and imposed additional charges of £30 for investigative costs, £65 for legal costs and a £15 victim surcharge.

The £75 litter penalty, which he had already paid, took the final bill to £260.

A spokesman for Coopers Carriers, Mr King's employer, said he was unavailable to comment yesterday because he was on delivery duties.

But his wife Janet, at their home in Rhyl, said: 'I'm disgusted by this fine. My husband smokes between ten and 20 a day.

'He's been rolling his own recently, so it doesn't make much litter.'

A spokesman for the council in Conwy - the town where the offence took place - said its three dog wardens were spearheading enforcement of smoking laws and had issued four fixed-penalty notices.

He said police community support officers would soon also be given the task.

The council has threatened to name and shame offenders to 'serve as a warning to others-Neil Rafferty, of Forest, a smokers' lobbying group, said: 'The ban on drivers smoking is the most ludicrous aspect of the law and this case shows how ridiculous it is.

'It is slightly unnerving that dog wardens are now enforcing the ban.

'There a slide into control by the state in this country.'

More than 200 smoking enforcement notices were served across England in July.

Drivers were warned last week that they could be prosecuted for smoking in their own cars if a police officer believed it had distracted them from the road.

Undercover police officers on long stakeouts are barred from lighting up in their vehicles.

02-10-2007, 03:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,660 Party: None	Driving Miss Prudence! I think this latest go at the motorist is a bit OTT. But I do support and encourage RESPONSIBLE DRIVING! Let's say no to the nanny state but yes to a pride in civic responsibility. Driving whilst - 1. Using a hand-held mobile phone (now illegal) 2. Holding a cigarette so it doesn't burn the fingers 3. Chomping on a sandwich (greasy fingers all over the steering wheel!) 4. Opening an A to Z of Anytown over the steering wheel 5. Trying to blow one's nose 6. Putting on make-up (both sexes apparently!) are DEFINITELY NOT aspects of good driving. Surely it would be better for people to know this themselves rather than arrogantly carry on until the nanny state types make things twice as bad in their own image! __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

03-10-2007, 10:08 AM	#17 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,660 Party: None	To have and to hold a ciggie! Sorry to disappoint John, but I have never smoked. Not out of any moral high ground principle but just that I don't like the taste of it! I tried in my teens at parties, etc, so I could truthfully admit to holding one or two. By the way, they are not quotes, just my observations of people I have driven with or watched driving! __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

03-10-2007, 11:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,660 Party: None	Well, I hear your point (or read it as we're on a forum!) but I'm afraid I don't agree, except to say that it is not inevitable that an accident will happen from such activity but if one did, then it is more than likely a contributing factor. __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

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paullotion Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 331	Totally agree,we need to get the message outthere.What is needed in this country is a media outlet like the Genesis Communication Network who have Alex Jones,Jack Blood and Dave Von Kliest to name a few. When the film Taking Liberties is uploaded to Google video get it out to all uk forums as well as the streets.Many people do not know this film exists. MySpace.com - Taking Liberties - UK - www.myspace.com/takinglibertiesuk http://motionographer.com/media/simo...iberties_2.mov We also need to make sure we limit the power of Government in our lives and to put a stop to them using our money for there freebies.