How long before these become madatory at birth?

mkpdavies · 16-08-2007, 07:42 PM

http://www.eurekamagazine.co.uk/arti...-response.aspx

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Last month’s ‘appeal’ to identify technologies that could prevent child abduction has moved forward rapidly

In a letter published last month, prompted by the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, design engineer Peter Fitzsimmons challenged Eureka readers to come up with a device to track lost children. Several readers have written with suggestions – two RFID-based ideas, one of which is in production, are highlighted here.
At the same time, two competing satellite-based systems – one British, one French – have also been launched recently.
Maidstone-based Blue Tree Services launched its OurKids child tracking system in the UK and Ireland earlier this year. The device comes in two parts: children wear the Blueranger unit, supplied with a belt similar to a money belt or with a pocket that can be attached to any item. Parents track their child’s movements through BlueMap software either on the internet or via a hand-held PDA. The latter shows its location as well as that of the monitored units.

Yeah, only it won't just be Mummy and Daddy who tracks you when you are all grown up and it is implanted in your ****.

bigred · 16-08-2007, 09:15 PM

Hitler and his Gestapo had more use for these!

I think some of these inventors have been watching to many movies from the seventies.

I know a good idea how about Politicians, Police, Doctors trial them!

We could put there details on google earth and be able to find one when we needed them.

Tara · 16-08-2007, 09:58 PM

How long before these become mandatory at birth?

Not very long.

Smidgey · 20-08-2007, 03:53 PM

If the government did implement these, they would spend billions on it, ruining individual liberties in the process. Billions for what could, like any other micro-chip, probably be destroyed by placing the part of the body with the micro-chip in it inside a microwave oven for about a second. Which would be billions of pounds wasted.

bigred · 20-08-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

If the government did implement these, they would spend billions on it, ruining individual liberties in the process. Billions for what could, like any other micro-chip, probably be destroyed by placing the part of the body with the micro-chip in it inside a microwave oven for about a second. Which would be billions of pounds wasted.

If they manage to get National ID card in mine will be taking a ZAP.

Tara · 23-09-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

...like any other micro-chip, probably be destroyed by placing the part of the body with the micro-chip in it inside a microwave oven for about a second. Which would be billions of pounds wasted.

Yes but how would you close the microwave door?

chikrodah · 24-09-2007, 06:35 AM

I'm sure some enterprising soul is already developing a portable microwave device for just that purpose.

Back in the early days of microwave technology, engineers discovered that microwave signal towers, used in telecommunications, could warm your lunchtime pasty nicely if you left it in the space directly underneath the tower.

Anybody done any experiments about the effects on RFID cards when they're placed next to a mobile phone mast?

Smidgey · 24-09-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tara

Yes but how would you close the microwave door?

Simply, you hold the catch so the microwave thinks the door is closed and so will switch on. But be careful - microwaves are very dangerous, so I wouldn't do that for over 1 or 2 seconds.

That is where my ID card will be going (if I ever decide to get one - or have one forced upon me), although I won't need to hold the thing open then.

Tara · 24-09-2007, 09:51 AM

Brilliant... Roasted shoulder of Tara with garlic and rosemary, mmm I could eat myself.

Which brings me onto the subject of my new RFID passport

Any ideas on how to blast the chip to smithereens whilst still being able to use it? This is a delicate issue as applying for a new one isn't an option because this month the Home Office are starting to interview new applicants demanding to know everyones bathroom habits, I would hate to be informed by an airport official I cannot travel as my RFID chip is void.

tito · 25-09-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tara

Brilliant... Roasted shoulder of Tara with garlic and rosemary, mmm I could eat myself.

Which brings me onto the subject of my new RFID passport

Any ideas on how to blast the chip to smithereens whilst still being able to use it? This is a delicate issue as applying for a new one isn't an option because this month the Home Office are starting to interview new applicants demanding to know everyones bathroom habits, I would hate to be informed by an airport official I cannot travel as my RFID chip is void.

If the RFID chip is actually used at the airport than "tweaking!" it might pose a problem.

The microwave will balls it over. Although, I wouldn't recommend it, the RFID tag in the passports has an enormous copper antenna (The piece of wire coiled around the page) and contains other small metallic components.

You can actually put them "to sleep" but they can be easily reactivated, such as whenever you walk by something resonating within a certain band of frequency.

A better way would be to tightly coil lots and lots of wire around a piece of soft iron (you might have to paint the wire with a ceramic paint first, to stop the iron conducting), pass a current through the wire.
You will likely needs lots of power and a transformer to get the potential difference (voltage) right.
Put the passport near the coil and pass the charge through the wire for short period.

This is also known as an electro magnetic coil. Or, an EMP charge! It will overload the chip with electro magnetic energy and blow the capacitor. If you are lucky, depending on the capacitor used, you might see a bit of goo around the chip when done!

Though I still think this will stop you flying.

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16-08-2007, 09:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
bigred Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lancashire Posts: 100	Hitler and his Gestapo had more use for these! I think some of these inventors have been watching to many movies from the seventies. I know a good idea how about Politicians, Police, Doctors trial them! We could put there details on google earth and be able to find one when we needed them.

16-08-2007, 09:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tara Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 810	How long before these become mandatory at birth? Not very long.

20-08-2007, 03:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,129 Party: Libertarian Party	If the government did implement these, they would spend billions on it, ruining individual liberties in the process. Billions for what could, like any other micro-chip, probably be destroyed by placing the part of the body with the micro-chip in it inside a microwave oven for about a second. Which would be billions of pounds wasted.

24-09-2007, 06:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
chikrodah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,410	I'm sure some enterprising soul is already developing a portable microwave device for just that purpose. Back in the early days of microwave technology, engineers discovered that microwave signal towers, used in telecommunications, could warm your lunchtime pasty nicely if you left it in the space directly underneath the tower. Anybody done any experiments about the effects on RFID cards when they're placed next to a mobile phone mast?

24-09-2007, 09:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tara Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 810	Brilliant... Roasted shoulder of Tara with garlic and rosemary, mmm I could eat myself. Which brings me onto the subject of my new RFID passport Any ideas on how to blast the chip to smithereens whilst still being able to use it? This is a delicate issue as applying for a new one isn't an option because this month the Home Office are starting to interview new applicants demanding to know everyones bathroom habits, I would hate to be informed by an airport official I cannot travel as my RFID chip is void.