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Old 08-01-2007, 06:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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LONDON, Jan. 7 (UPI) -- Under new measures, Britons who enter the United States are to have their fingerprints recorded and stored on an FBI database along with those of criminals.

The Observer reported on the move, which has outraged civil rights groups and opponents of intrusive surveillance.

Sources said the new plan will be initially implemented in 10 airports in popular destinations including New York, Washington and Miami.

Opponents of the plan say it will also make for longer waits for airport travelers.

Britons already have their credit card details and e-mail accounts inspected by U.S. authorities, following a deal between the EU and the Department of Homeland Security, the Observer said.
That's a deal between the EU and the USA, not our own government.
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Old 09-01-2007, 04:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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That's a deal between the EU and the USA, not our own government.
All foreigners (except maybe Canadians) are fingerprinted when entering the US anyway, although it may have taken until now for them to expand the scanners to all ports of entry. I travelled to both Alaska and Las Vegas from Canada in '05. When I crossed the Border to Alaska driving along the Haines Hwy the Border guards had no fingerprint machines, but they did hold me up for 20 minutes or so. When flying to Las Vegas I was fingerprinted and facially laser scanned by a USCIS official in Vancouver International Airport - travellers from major Canadian airports do US Border preclearance, which is very useful 'cause you don't have to fly all the way back if you get refused entry, which happens to a surprising number of potential entrants to the US. US immigration law is based on presumption of guilt, you see.
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This is one of those anti-EU stories that grabs me.

For the EU to talk to the US about how Britons need to be strictly watched is ridiculous. It's another twist of the knife that stabbed us in the back.
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Does the USA want tourists or not? Simple question, simple answer. If they choose to continue humiliating and degrading British tourists by their current practices for non-visa requirees (& even further for the vastly growing number of visa requirees) then why should anyone wish to put themselves into that position by entering the nation? I'm no fan of Hilary but she or Obama better win & sort this **** out 'cause it does none of the world any benefit.
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Problem is the US knows that Britain is the European centre for recruiting and training a certain type of terrorist many of whom hold British passports. Anti discrimination laws originated by the EU and the liberal left pressure groups don't allow them (or us) to take a common sense approach by profiling and checking certain people only so everyone is suspect, another EU concept. Back to the old ID card and increasing state surveillance argument again - and a bit like at school where if the teacher can't catch the naughty boy everybody stays behind (or used to when I went, probably a breach of human rights now). We should do the same to people coming into our country - which is what we want, isn't it, tighter border controls?
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On Radio 4 the other day this sort of situation was being discussed and a frequent traveller stated that the accepted practice on entering the States now is (for him at least) to have a chip planted in his passport so that he could be tracked wherever he went. On leaving, the chip was removed.
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Lol, I initially thought that the title 'British travellers face heavy surveillance' meant that 'travellers' would be facing greater police surveillance and scrutiny.

What a naive thought. :roll:
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I'll be in the US in a couple of weeks.
OK. I get my fingerprints taken.
So what?
What (legal) activity will it prevent me from undertaking?
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I'll be in the US in a couple of weeks.
OK. I get my fingerprints taken.
So what?
What (legal) activity will it prevent me from undertaking?
The right to not be treated as a suspected criminal upon entry. The right to leave the airport in a timely fashion. The right to have knowledge/influence over what the US does with certain personal information now or in the future. I'm sure there is plenty more that I have temporarily overlooked.
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I'll be in the US in a couple of weeks.
OK. I get my fingerprints taken.
So what?
What (legal) activity will it prevent me from undertaking?
The right to not be treated as a suspected criminal upon entry. The right to leave the airport in a timely fashion. The right to have knowledge/influence over what the US does with certain personal information now or in the future. I'm sure there is plenty more that I have temporarily overlooked.
You're at it again with your woolly irrelevant answers.
Not what rights will I or won't I have. What legal ACTIVITY will it actually prevent me from undertaking?
Just give a direct answer to the question I asked - not the one you think I asked.

Understand also that I am neither stating nor implying that I agree or otherwise with having my fingerprints taken. Don't read into the question something that isn't there.
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