Muslim task forces recommend media fight

mkpdavies · 18-09-2005, 09:11 AM

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/u...nd_media_fight

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LONDON, England (UPI) -- Task forces looking for ways to undermine radical Islam in Britain recommend a media unit to wage a battle of ideas and an investigative commission.

The Guardian said it has obtained details of the plans to be submitted to Prime Minister Tony Blair.

The media unit would monitor and rebut unfair coverage of Muslims and provide rebuttals to extremist Muslims.

1984 moves ANOTHER step forward. The Ministry of Truth becomes a reality.

Anthony Butcher · 18-09-2005, 12:43 PM

I rather support this idea. Fighting radicalism is fine, just as we did against communism, as long as we don't end up with the witch-hunts and suppression. A media war against radical Islam is the least offensive/intrusive way of tackling a growing problem.

While a government doesn't have the right to push one ideology onto the entire populace, it does have a responsibility to protect its citizens from ideologies that seek to oppress all other ideologies.

We should protect the individual's right to believe what they wish at all costs, but that doesn't mean that as a society we can't protect ourselves and discourage certain trends. It is no different to the war against drug abuse or other cults.

mkpdavies · 18-09-2005, 12:49 PM

I don't need a government telling me their version of the truth thanks.

What is radical? Who defines what is radical? Is UKIP radical for wanting out of the EU?

If people try to spread terrorist ideas, arrest them and boot them out if possible. Don't have some wishy washy media dept saying "Oh no it isn't".

All I can see this becoming is a propaganda machine for the current government.

No thanks, Big Brother and Nannyism of the worst order.

Anthony Butcher · 18-09-2005, 09:50 PM

Fair enough, and I share the same concerns. However, radical islam is a real threat to Britain, UKIP is not. It isn't radicalism that is the problem it is radicalism that encourages violence.

I would expect the government to take action in some form against anything that promotes violence against other people. This is why we have age ratings on films and games (partly), limits on how much people are supposed to drink, a ban on drugs etc.

mkpdavies · 19-09-2005, 09:26 AM

Yep. So incitement to violence and murder should be punished, using laws that this country has had since the year dot.

I see no purpose in a government information/disinformation unit for this.

kernow · 19-09-2005, 11:07 AM

Unfortunately unless laws are enforced they're not worth the paper they're written on. As far as I know you're not allowed by law to ride a bike on the pavement or cast litter in the street, but when was the last time anyone heard about these laws being enforced?

mkpdavies · 19-09-2005, 11:11 AM

It's impossible to enforce all the laws all the time. Murders will go unsolved, litter dropped without people seeing etc.

What is not to be tollerated is the police ignoring crimes when they happen. Because they have so much paper work to fill out, it's easier just to pretend some things never happened.

If someone is caught encouraging others to commit crimes of terror, the police should feel compelled to take full action.

18-09-2005, 12:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,151 Party: Libertarian Party	I don't need a government telling me their version of the truth thanks. What is radical? Who defines what is radical? Is UKIP radical for wanting out of the EU? If people try to spread terrorist ideas, arrest them and boot them out if possible. Don't have some wishy washy media dept saying "Oh no it isn't". All I can see this becoming is a propaganda machine for the current government. No thanks, Big Brother and Nannyism of the worst order. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,151 Party: Libertarian Party	Yep. So incitement to violence and murder should be punished, using laws that this country has had since the year dot. I see no purpose in a government information/disinformation unit for this. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

19-09-2005, 11:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,151 Party: Libertarian Party	It's impossible to enforce all the laws all the time. Murders will go unsolved, litter dropped without people seeing etc. What is not to be tollerated is the police ignoring crimes when they happen. Because they have so much paper work to fill out, it's easier just to pretend some things never happened. If someone is caught encouraging others to commit crimes of terror, the police should feel compelled to take full action. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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18-09-2005, 12:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,193 Party: None	I rather support this idea. Fighting radicalism is fine, just as we did against communism, as long as we don't end up with the witch-hunts and suppression. A media war against radical Islam is the least offensive/intrusive way of tackling a growing problem. While a government doesn't have the right to push one ideology onto the entire populace, it does have a responsibility to protect its citizens from ideologies that seek to oppress all other ideologies. We should protect the individual's right to believe what they wish at all costs, but that doesn't mean that as a society we can't protect ourselves and discourage certain trends. It is no different to the war against drug abuse or other cults.

18-09-2005, 09:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,193 Party: None	Fair enough, and I share the same concerns. However, radical islam is a real threat to Britain, UKIP is not. It isn't radicalism that is the problem it is radicalism that encourages violence. I would expect the government to take action in some form against anything that promotes violence against other people. This is why we have age ratings on films and games (partly), limits on how much people are supposed to drink, a ban on drugs etc.

19-09-2005, 11:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,183	Unfortunately unless laws are enforced they're not worth the paper they're written on. As far as I know you're not allowed by law to ride a bike on the pavement or cast litter in the street, but when was the last time anyone heard about these laws being enforced?