Police lied about Menezes

mkpdavies · 24-08-2005, 12:24 AM

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1/ As far as I am aware, barrier vaulting, clothing and other initial details were largely reported by the media, gleaning it from bystanders. I don't recall seeing any official statement saying this in the first day or so (or even later) - thereafter, a general impression is created in the public's mind that this is the official police version. Later when police do start releasing details it looks like they have changed their story, when in fact they never released one in the first place.

Fraid your wrong there. The police said he had suspicious clothing and behaved suspiciously (knowing about all the statements that were being released!). They also said he refused to follow instructions. All lies, all made up. There are hundreds of old internet articles with the police saying this, including Ian Bliar himself. If it wasn't for the leak, there would have been no attempt to clear the innocent mans good name either.

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2/ Matt, no, they will not release CCTV, surveillance footage, officer notes, testimonies, transcripts or reports to 'set the record straight'. That is for any court or inquest. To release before hand would render any juror or witness called open to allegations that they have been swayed. No unbiased witness=no court case.

Well they have said they were convieniently blank now, even though the station bosses said they were in full working order. I would have been happy to wait for there release if it was part of the investiagation, but now they are wiped, we'll never see anything, always seems to happen when something dogy is going on.

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3/ Much as some of you don't want to accept it, police firearms officers don't actually want to shoot anybody if they can possibly help it. Police get enough problems when they have to use baton, spray, cuffs or even just a stern voice, let alone anything more forceful like a gun.
It comes across here that some of you seem to think they are out there trying to see who can get a notch on their sidearm.

Don't know what gave you that impression. Most of us were supporting the police fully before it turned out they told us a load of lies. Assuming what people want is never a clever idea.

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Judging from the lack of thinking going on here at the moment I'd hate to ever have to rely on some of you as witnesses. You're supposed to see everything, not just the bits that suit you.

I'd suggest you're the one not thinking here. Clearly you haven't been paying much attention, if you didn't know the police made the statements abour suspicous clothing, demeour and refusing orders. While most of us were willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt, indeed supported them to start, we tend to let the fact we were told a pack of lies sway us. Funny that, not accepting lies.

You see, that's what thinking is all about. Being able to change opinion as new information comes to light. Sadly it seems you are stuck in a "back the police at all costs" mentality, which is sad. I guess you work with them a lot and have made a lot of good friends. Indeed I'm usually full of praise for the police, but that doesn't mean I will accept any lies or massive blunders.

I think most people would have accepted genuine mistakes, if given good reason. The fact the good reasons all seem to have slipped away and a large helping of lies and attempts to stop any enquiries added for good measure, means all but the most brain dead of sheep can see what happened was wrong. The fact the Bliar decided to try and lie and cover it up, means he is beyond contempt and must be sacked.

I'm glad to say a number of my police friends are of the same opinion. Perhaps they see the long term picture of maintaining police respect and accountability as important to them, as it is to me.

Here is the best summary of the lies told.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4158832.stm

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