Policeman avoids assault charges

Anthony Butcher · 09-08-2005, 09:31 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/arti...545442,00.html

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A police officer who was captured on closed-circuit television kicking a black man as he was held down on a pavement by his colleagues will not face prosecution, it emerged yesterday.

The footage showed an unnamed officer kicking Delbo King as he was held down in Manchester city centre after he had been sprayed with CS gas during a struggle. One minute after he was handcuffed, an officer is seen kicking Mr King on at least three occasions.

The incident happened in June 2003, after Mr King, a former Paratrooper who served with the regiment for six years until 1995, had been arrested for smashing up a bus stop.

Speaking at the time, Mr King said: "I am not some scumbag drug dealer, I have served Queen and country. I admit I was drunk, but I wasn't violent towards the police and after they cuffed me that should have been the end of the matter.

mkpdavies · 09-08-2005, 09:42 AM

If booting a man while he is down on the floor with CS gas in his eyes isn't against procedure, then I don't know what is.

This is just fuel for the "All police are racists" brigade to use. If the courts don't punish bad policing, then how can anyone have respect for the law?

Roger Gough · 09-08-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

If booting a man while he is down on the floor with CS gas in his eyes isn't against procedure, then I don't know what is.

This is just fuel for the "All police are racists" brigade to use. If the courts don't punish bad policing, then how can anyone have respect for the law?

As Doug Denny has said, "It all depends on the interpretation by the highest executive". Equate the rule of law with UKIP's Constitution and you'll soon understand. The rule of Law needs a General Election to change things, UKIP needs an EGM (maybe).

arden forester · 12-08-2005, 02:33 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if some judges and magistrates need brain surgery. In Solihull last week the magistrates jailed a thief for 11 months for stealing 12 chocolate bars, but fined a motorist £100 for speeding. Speeding kills!

Also, in another part of the country, a policeman was let off a disqualification for speeding at over 100mph (third offence!) because he was needed as a police driver!?!

When are most petty thieves going to be treated as alcoholic/drug misfits in need of correctional training rather than banged up in prison to learn more deviance? When are motorists that speed, or don't have insurance, or use mobile phones on the go, or have **** cars going to have their cars impounded and possibly crushed?

I think it is because judges are not normally thieves but they do tend to drive!

mkpdavies · 12-08-2005, 04:06 PM

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Speeding kills!

No it doesn't. Inappropritate speeding may contribute to killing.

arden forester · 12-08-2005, 05:10 PM

Matt, with all due respect, as they say! What exactly is "appropriate speeding"?

We have in this country 30mph limits in towns. Here in Solihull, with a high proportion of 4x4's, BMWs, etc most cars seem to do 40/45 in the town. The council is putting up speed signs which flash "slow down". But it only stops them at the sign!

Also, I don't think 30mph in a supermarket car park, or any other car park (where they normally put up 5mph signs) is appropriate.

The motoring culture is "get from point A to B as fast as you can". From my office window now I can see vans and cars racing to the road junction. The revving suggests impatience to get home. I understand it, but I think people should think a bit more!

On one road in Solihull through a residential area, which has a 30mph speed camera setup, cars go at a regular 30mph. This speed allows other drivers to exit the many sideroads at ease in a seemless manner. It works well.

My point is that if we all kept to the proper speed we could possibly avoid all the hassle we get at the moment. Trying to second guess a lunatic on the road is quite tiring!!

mkpdavies · 12-08-2005, 05:36 PM

Getting a ticket on a four lane motorway at the middle of night, with only you on the road, in dry conditions, for doing 78 MPH. Now that's tiring!

Problem when you have intollerant stupid laws that most people disagree with, is that those people then tend to ignore all the laws, even the sensible ones.

Of course there will be those that ignore laws no matter what.

There is a reason why the vast majority of people break the speed limit intentially and that's beacause a lot of time the limit is inappropriate.

If they enforced the speeding laws near schools and built up areas, you wouldn't hear much complaint. The fact is they put revenue collection points on dual carridge ways, motorways and long straight roads in the middle of nowhere. They take no account of conditions at all and make no differentiation for weather, time of day, traffic, etc etc.

As soon as they start showing a lot more inteligence as to when it is not safe to drive faster, the sooner people might get some respect for speeding laws.

BTW 30 isn't appropriate in a car park. Neither is 5. Have you ever seen any speed enforcement in a car park, where a lot of accidents do actually happen? Hell no!

Pedestrians also have responsibilites. I know you wouldn't think so currently, but stumbling INTO phpbb_a road ****** out of you head is pretty irresponsible. So is leaping INTO phpbb_a road without looking.

gimlet · 14-08-2005, 09:11 PM

Arden foster

What is wrong with 4X4s or BMWS?

John Carter · 14-08-2005, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arden forester

The motoring culture is "get from point A to B as fast as you can". From my office window now I can see vans and cars racing to the road junction. The revving suggests impatience to get home. I understand it, but I think people should think a bit more!

Or it could be that the people driving those vehicles simply like driving fast.

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Originally Posted by arden forester

My point is that if we all kept to the proper speed we could possibly avoid all the hassle we get at the moment.

The "proper" speed limit of 70 MPH was introduced over 30 years ago. It's recently been proven that the average modern car (Ford Focus) will outhandle and outbrake a supercar (Jag E-Type) from the year when those speed limits were introduced.

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Originally Posted by arden forester

Trying to second guess a lunatic on the road is quite tiring!!

Don't assume that those travelling faster than you are lunatics. I can almost guarantee that you'd think I was a lunatic if you saw me driving past you - yet everyone who actually gets in with me has commented that I'm one of the safest drivers they've ever ridden with.

Alex McKee · 14-08-2005, 10:39 PM

Perhaps they are just too scared to say othewise

I'm only kidding.

09-08-2005, 09:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	If booting a man while he is down on the floor with CS gas in his eyes isn't against procedure, then I don't know what is. This is just fuel for the "All police are racists" brigade to use. If the courts don't punish bad policing, then how can anyone have respect for the law? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

12-08-2005, 02:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,699 Party: None	I'm beginning to wonder if some judges and magistrates need brain surgery. In Solihull last week the magistrates jailed a thief for 11 months for stealing 12 chocolate bars, but fined a motorist £100 for speeding. Speeding kills! Also, in another part of the country, a policeman was let off a disqualification for speeding at over 100mph (third offence!) because he was needed as a police driver!?! When are most petty thieves going to be treated as alcoholic/drug misfits in need of correctional training rather than banged up in prison to learn more deviance? When are motorists that speed, or don't have insurance, or use mobile phones on the go, or have **** cars going to have their cars impounded and possibly crushed? I think it is because judges are not normally thieves but they do tend to drive! __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

12-08-2005, 05:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,699 Party: None	Matt, with all due respect, as they say! What exactly is "appropriate speeding"? We have in this country 30mph limits in towns. Here in Solihull, with a high proportion of 4x4's, BMWs, etc most cars seem to do 40/45 in the town. The council is putting up speed signs which flash "slow down". But it only stops them at the sign! Also, I don't think 30mph in a supermarket car park, or any other car park (where they normally put up 5mph signs) is appropriate. The motoring culture is "get from point A to B as fast as you can". From my office window now I can see vans and cars racing to the road junction. The revving suggests impatience to get home. I understand it, but I think people should think a bit more! On one road in Solihull through a residential area, which has a 30mph speed camera setup, cars go at a regular 30mph. This speed allows other drivers to exit the many sideroads at ease in a seemless manner. It works well. My point is that if we all kept to the proper speed we could possibly avoid all the hassle we get at the moment. Trying to second guess a lunatic on the road is quite tiring!! __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

12-08-2005, 05:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	Getting a ticket on a four lane motorway at the middle of night, with only you on the road, in dry conditions, for doing 78 MPH. Now that's tiring! Problem when you have intollerant stupid laws that most people disagree with, is that those people then tend to ignore all the laws, even the sensible ones. Of course there will be those that ignore laws no matter what. There is a reason why the vast majority of people break the speed limit intentially and that's beacause a lot of time the limit is inappropriate. If they enforced the speeding laws near schools and built up areas, you wouldn't hear much complaint. The fact is they put revenue collection points on dual carridge ways, motorways and long straight roads in the middle of nowhere. They take no account of conditions at all and make no differentiation for weather, time of day, traffic, etc etc. As soon as they start showing a lot more inteligence as to when it is not safe to drive faster, the sooner people might get some respect for speeding laws. BTW 30 isn't appropriate in a car park. Neither is 5. Have you ever seen any speed enforcement in a car park, where a lot of accidents do actually happen? Hell no! Pedestrians also have responsibilites. I know you wouldn't think so currently, but stumbling INTO phpbb_a road ****** out of you head is pretty irresponsible. So is leaping INTO phpbb_a road without looking. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 836	Arden foster What is wrong with 4X4s or BMWS?

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Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	Perhaps they are just too scared to say othewise I'm only kidding.