PRESIDENCY OF EU

mkpdavies · 14-07-2005, 03:24 PM

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2005/...d-bio-plan.htm

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The UK Presidency of the Council of the European Union (the 25 governments) has put forward a proposal that all ID cards in the EU should have biometrics, that is, fingerprints on them.

A document dated 11 July says that this is to meet ICAO standards (International Civil Aviation Organisation, a UN body). In fact all the the ICAO has agreed is that the standard passport photo (ie: the one sent in with passport applications) is "digitised" and put on a chip in passports. This is not a biometric.

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Thus in the EU biometrics (finger-prints) are to be compulsory for:

- passports
- third country national resident in the EU
- visas for all visitors
- all identity cards

Yeah right. The UK put it forward, like it wasn't planned already.

arden forester · 15-07-2005, 01:08 AM

From the same piece!

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"This proposal with others means that everyone living in the EU is going to be finger-printed and their details held on an EU-wide database. At a time of great tragedy it is all the more important that we act with care and do not bequeath to future generations a society where every movement and every communication is under surveillance. Whether a democratic way of life could survive in such a climate is doubtful."

What if one was in a hotel leaving finger prints all over the place. You check out! Next night someone gets murdered in that very room! With this jolly fingerprint bank at the disposal of the police, would it surprise anyone if the innocent guy got, how can I put this, er, "fingered"! :shock: :shock:

We all remember poor Derek Bond's treatment at the hands of the CIA! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4518411.stm

mkpdavies · 15-07-2005, 10:40 AM

Not only will our own country be able to pin stuff on us like this, but other countries within the EU.

I don't trust my own government with this personal information, nevermind the undemocratic superstate built on lies.

morlock · 15-07-2005, 02:57 PM

And they’ll get away with it for as long as people don’t question the government’s assertion that ‘only the criminals need worry’ etc. Problem is when political dissent is deemed to be ‘subversive’ and therefore illegal where will that leave us?

I wonder how long before I’d be eligible for parole?

Roger Gough · 15-07-2005, 04:19 PM

If fingerprinting everyone across Europe were to be made policy, how would they oblige the millions who would not go for such a scheme to have their dabs taken? This has the makings of a poll tax riot.

It's also interesting to note that if one is a 'football hooligan', much money is spent keeping a track on you and preventing you from travelling abroad. It doesn't seem to be the case with G.8 away matches.

I sense a huge f****** snowball having been formed last week and it's growing bigger by the day. Blair could not have hoped for a better event to start his 'Presidency' with. These bombings will almost give him carte blanche to suggest whatever he wants.

Richard · 15-07-2005, 04:19 PM

I don't really agree with the example about the hotel room as you'd already be a suspect by having stayed there. The main reason why I don't like the idea of ID cards is that eventually either no one would bother with them, so then a very expensive and useless operation. Or that we would have to constantly prove our identity and you can imagine where that would leave us. Imagine having an accident but a hospital wouldn't treat you because you can't prove you are 'eligible' for NHS treatment because you lost your card. Very scary indeed.

arden forester · 15-07-2005, 11:50 PM

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I don't really agree with the example about the hotel room as you'd already be a suspect by having stayed there.

Yes, but the law in the UK is that only those who have previously be convicted or are part of an enquiry can be fingerprinted.

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"(1BA) Fingerprints taken from a person by virtue of section 61(6A) above must be destroyed as soon as they have fulfilled the purpose for which they were taken."

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/cgi-bin/htm_h...er_first_match

Not the case with New Labour's national database, which will be open to many nosey-parkers!

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Scene of crime fingerprints are however an entirely different matter. These will be of varying quality, in many cases they will only be partial prints, and although it is possible to use some automation to narrow the search, human expertise is needed in order to establish a reasonable degree of certainty. Trawling a database of the entire UK population would therefore produce a fairly large number of possible matches, but would then require a very large number of fingerprint experts to narrow them down. At which point, other problems would arise. At the moment possible matches obtained by the police will almost always lead them to a suspect who has already been arrested for something, and who will therefore not necessarily be shocked, stunned or outraged by being asked to account for his movements on the night in question. Once the fingerprint database of the future is live, however, that will not be the case, and it will only be a matter of time before a false match IDs a nun. Or a Home Secretary!

http://www.out-law.com/page-5528-theme=print
We have been warned! And only 21.6% voted for them! :shock:

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15-07-2005, 02:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
morlock Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 300	And they’ll get away with it for as long as people don’t question the government’s assertion that ‘only the criminals need worry’ etc. Problem is when political dissent is deemed to be ‘subversive’ and therefore illegal where will that leave us? I wonder how long before I’d be eligible for parole?

15-07-2005, 04:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
Roger Gough Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hotel California Posts: 708	If fingerprinting everyone across Europe were to be made policy, how would they oblige the millions who would not go for such a scheme to have their dabs taken? This has the makings of a poll tax riot. It's also interesting to note that if one is a 'football hooligan', much money is spent keeping a track on you and preventing you from travelling abroad. It doesn't seem to be the case with G.8 away matches. I sense a huge f****** snowball having been formed last week and it's growing bigger by the day. Blair could not have hoped for a better event to start his 'Presidency' with. These bombings will almost give him carte blanche to suggest whatever he wants.

15-07-2005, 04:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Richard Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 168	I don't really agree with the example about the hotel room as you'd already be a suspect by having stayed there. The main reason why I don't like the idea of ID cards is that eventually either no one would bother with them, so then a very expensive and useless operation. Or that we would have to constantly prove our identity and you can imagine where that would leave us. Imagine having an accident but a hospital wouldn't treat you because you can't prove you are 'eligible' for NHS treatment because you lost your card. Very scary indeed.