curtailing of civil liberties

C_steam · 11-07-2005, 12:21 PM

here we go.

The (allegedly

) fat sweaty garden gnome of a home secretary

Quote:

says firms across Europe should be ordered to retain phone and e-mail records to help track down terrorists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4668903.stm

admittedly he is not talking about retaining the content of such communication, but that is but surely a short step away?

mkpdavies · 11-07-2005, 12:37 PM

This is the "information creep" we are beginning to hear more and more of. Give an inch and they take a yard!

It seems to happen in any society, that some day the bunch on power start abusing that power. They may think they are doing it for genuine reasons, but it always ends up the same.

The difference now being technology is making it easier for tyranny.

One day I can hear the argument that the whole country should have curfews, 24/7 surveillance, tracking chips in everything (including us) and government is God, deciding what people can and can't do in every area of life. Of course it will be for our own good and if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, just like Hitler said to his people.

The hillarious thing is, the more supressed the people become, the more likely there will be terrorism and unrest. They forget to tell you that though don't they.

John Carter · 11-07-2005, 01:59 PM

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says firms across Europe should be ordered to retain phone and e-mail records to help track down terrorists.

Well, best of luck to him with that one.
<looks down at e-mail server sitting by the side of the desk>

Jarda · 11-07-2005, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_steam

here we go.

The (allegedly

) fat sweaty garden gnome of a home secretary

Quote:

says firms across Europe should be ordered to retain phone and e-mail records to help track down terrorists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4668903.stm

admittedly he is not talking about retaining the content of such communication, but that is but surely a short step away?

I read about that in yesterday's Austrian newspaper Diepresse - the reaction of Austrian minister of Interior was clear "no".

It seems interesting to me that Mr. Clark wants EU to do the dirty work for him. I'm no fan of EU but something is smelling terribly here.

mkpdavies · 11-07-2005, 04:16 PM

It's Clarke.

Fat blokes tend to sweat a lot a and he is one fat bloke. Fatter than Prescott even. In the hot weather of late things tend to hum down at New Labour HQ.

C_steam · 11-07-2005, 09:30 PM

Also, it is rumoured that Blunketts dog farts a lot.

arden forester · 13-07-2005, 08:55 AM

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Also, it is rumoured that Blunketts dog farts a lot.

Would that be "F-steam", C_steam? :wink:

11-07-2005, 12:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	This is the "information creep" we are beginning to hear more and more of. Give an inch and they take a yard! It seems to happen in any society, that some day the bunch on power start abusing that power. They may think they are doing it for genuine reasons, but it always ends up the same. The difference now being technology is making it easier for tyranny. One day I can hear the argument that the whole country should have curfews, 24/7 surveillance, tracking chips in everything (including us) and government is God, deciding what people can and can't do in every area of life. Of course it will be for our own good and if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, just like Hitler said to his people. The hillarious thing is, the more supressed the people become, the more likely there will be terrorism and unrest. They forget to tell you that though don't they. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

11-07-2005, 04:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	It's Clarke. Fat blokes tend to sweat a lot a and he is one fat bloke. Fatter than Prescott even. In the hot weather of late things tend to hum down at New Labour HQ. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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11-07-2005, 09:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,802	Also, it is rumoured that Blunketts dog farts a lot.