Gutless loser MP's back ID cards

mkpdavies · 28-06-2005, 10:48 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4632299.stm

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Ministers have won a Commons vote over their controversial ID cards plan but their majority was cut from 67 to 31.
Tories, Lib Dems and a number of rebel Labour MPs are thought to have voted against the bill's second reading.

Disgusting. My night is going from bad to worse.

Bluemerle · 28-06-2005, 11:26 PM

I understand some Tory MPs didn't bother to vote.

mkpdavies · 28-06-2005, 11:28 PM

Because half the w**ky Tories support ID cards.

They are just as bad as Liebour. Even Davis says he sees nothing wrong with them in principle.

Alex McKee · 28-06-2005, 11:30 PM

Disgusting. And the government sneaking it through whilst everyone who's anyone is at Portsmouth for the Trafalgar 200 bash.

Confound them all!

John Carter · 28-06-2005, 11:33 PM

Don't worry - judging by the feeling on the ground they're going to have a very hard time making this work. Much like the poll tax, I expect.

TomPhil · 29-06-2005, 12:30 AM

Today was a day of sharp contrast; the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar showing how great Britain can be, and the ID cards bill being voted through, showing how much trouble this country is currently in. But I can't see a way out. No patriotic party is going to be elected in the near future, and the Tories are just as keen as Labour are on selling us out.

Only a few months ago I E-mailed Michael Howard about my concerns over ID cards, and got an E-mail back giving ID cards a glowing reference, telling me "he has always supported the introduction of identity cards, both as Home Secretary and subsequently as a backbencher."

Unless there is a miracle, I cannot see any way in which Britain can continue as a free and soverign nation, even in the medium term.

Jean Pool · 29-06-2005, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by John Carter

Don't worry - judging by the feeling on the ground they're going to have a very hard time making this work. Much like the poll tax, I expect.

This could be a Labour death-knell, albeit it smaller an issue to most than the poll tax.

But big enough to create a massive backlash.

Pretty good result in the long term, methinks.

jp · 29-06-2005, 08:45 AM

I don't think we should be too disheartened. A slender majority at this point before the full facts are aired with most of the public means it may well be kicked out at a later stage.

C_steam · 29-06-2005, 11:06 AM

Just as an aside, the BBC website lists the 49 items of information that, according to the bill, will be held on the card.

see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4630045.stm

Interestingly, if you scroll down a bit you will find, under the sub heading "record history" the following item of information.

Quote:

date of death.

Now, either we are in a Logan's run situation here (!) or it means that the cards will be kept by the gov after the death of the holder.

Roger Gough · 29-06-2005, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_steam

Just as an aside, the BBC website lists the 49 items of information that, according to the bill, will be held on the card.

see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4630045.stm

Interestingly, if you scroll down a bit you will find, under the sub heading "record history" the following item of information.

Quote:

date of death.

Now, either we are in a Logan's run situation here (!) or it means that the cards will be kept by the gov after the death of the holder.

Probably so that no-one can do a 'Day of the Jackal' with the identity.

28-06-2005, 11:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	Because half the w**ky Tories support ID cards. They are just as bad as Liebour. Even Davis says he sees nothing wrong with them in principle. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

28-06-2005, 11:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	Don't worry - judging by the feeling on the ground they're going to have a very hard time making this work. Much like the poll tax, I expect. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world: Libertarians, fascists, and those who haven't been paying attention.

29-06-2005, 12:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
TomPhil Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Stockport Posts: 498 Party: UKIP	Today was a day of sharp contrast; the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar showing how great Britain can be, and the ID cards bill being voted through, showing how much trouble this country is currently in. But I can't see a way out. No patriotic party is going to be elected in the near future, and the Tories are just as keen as Labour are on selling us out. Only a few months ago I E-mailed Michael Howard about my concerns over ID cards, and got an E-mail back giving ID cards a glowing reference, telling me "he has always supported the introduction of identity cards, both as Home Secretary and subsequently as a backbencher." Unless there is a miracle, I cannot see any way in which Britain can continue as a free and soverign nation, even in the medium term. __________________ "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." In Labour we trusted and now we are busted... again. It's the economy, stupid.

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28-06-2005, 11:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	I understand some Tory MPs didn't bother to vote.

28-06-2005, 11:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	Disgusting. And the government sneaking it through whilst everyone who's anyone is at Portsmouth for the Trafalgar 200 bash. Confound them all!

29-06-2005, 08:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
jp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,001	I don't think we should be too disheartened. A slender majority at this point before the full facts are aired with most of the public means it may well be kicked out at a later stage.