Co-op bank bars Christian group

Benjaminw1 · 24-06-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

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Originally Posted by John Carter

Here's my take on how it should be:

If you're a sole trader, family business or partnership you should be allowed to discriminate against anyone using whatever reasons you wish. Your house, your rules.

If you're a limited company, PLC, public service or government agency you shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against anyone legally here. The organisation is no longer your house, so it's no longer your rules.

I think that I would agree with that.

It isn't good for business anyway. I will NEVER use the holiday company Sandals because their TV adverts specified heterosexual couples only, or more precisely "one man, one woman". I am not sure how that applies to transexuals though. :roll:

Wow! thanks for that I will check Sandals out for me and the better half

mkpdavies · 24-06-2005, 03:47 PM

That's history dude.

http://uk.gay.com/headlines/6960

Peter S · 24-06-2005, 03:54 PM

Will the co-op be able to maintain this act if the new Religious hatred bill is passed?

John Carter · 24-06-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

I will NEVER use the holiday company Sandals because their TV adverts specified heterosexual couples only, or more precisely "one man, one woman".

Valid reason for this - Sandals is for "love" (i.e. lounging around on the beach snogging) and most straight folks don't want to see gays with each other. Just one of those facts of life.

Anecdote which could be relevant:

A friend and his wife live in a terraced house. A couple of gays moved in next door and she (the wife) thought "OK, I've got an open mind, they're nice normal folks, no big deal". And went on like this for the rest of the day - had them over for coffee (i.e. the welcome to the neighbourhood thing), helped them unload their stuff, etc., etc.. All was going well until later that night. She's lying in bed trying to get to sleep when an enormous amount of noise starts coming from next door. Yep, they're going at it in the way that can only be achieved when there's no woman involved (think about that one - if there isn't a woman involved, who's going to stop you from getting completely animal and rampant? Women require delicacy, guys don't).
After a night of this, the next day she'd turned. She'd gone from "yeah, no harm, whatever, privacy of own home, yadda yadda yadda" to "kill them all, the filthy xxxxxxx!!!"

So, in relation to the Sandals thing (and the B&B thing), I see where they're coming from. If gays want/need to be gay, fair enough - but let them do it out of sight and earshot of straight folks: putting everyone in too close together damages both sides of the divide.

arden forester · 24-06-2005, 04:16 PM

My point in starting this thread was that if the Co-op Bank says no to Christian Voice, and, under pressure, so do all the other banks, then CV as a political party, will face the same problems with the Electoral Commission over auditing as the BNP did with Barclays.

Just say, what if UKIP's bankers took against UKIP because powerful customers said an anti-EU stance was crippling their business. The list of complaints against political parties could be endless.

John Carter · 24-06-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

My point in starting this thread was that if the Co-op Bank says no to Christian Voice, and, under pressure, so do all the other banks, then CV as a political party, will face the same problems with the Electoral Commission over auditing as the BNP did with Barclays.

Just say, what if UKIP's bankers took against UKIP because powerful customers said an anti-EU stance was crippling their business. The list of complaints against political parties could be endless.

All boils down to the same thing, doesn't it?

You will think what we tell you to think or we'll put you out of business

This applies to the banks/Christian Voice, B&B/Scottish Tourist Board and Sandals/gay activists.

I don't think it's too much to worry about as far as the banks go. As a political party must have banking facilities here, there'd be a serious law-suit (and major constitutional mess) if all the banks refused custom to one (essentially, commercial interests interfering with democracy).

Peter S · 24-06-2005, 04:23 PM

Yes its good talking about it but all the people should unite who are against this and forget what they think of each other and defend what we won the war to keep, Freedom of Speech!

24-06-2005, 04:34 PM

so we go back to the orginal point somones freedom is stiffled

its alright for a B&B owner to turn away people

but not alright for a bank to turn away a customer

isnt that having double standards

Benjaminw1 · 24-06-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scotgirl

so we go back to the orginal point somones freedom is stiffled

its alright for a B&B owner to turn away people

but not alright for a bank to turn away a customer

isnt that having double standards

No, because we do not live in a moral vacuum, where everything has absolute equivalence.

Ben

Peter S · 24-06-2005, 04:40 PM

There is no religion saying you must accept gays and allow them to have a relationship on your property, there is many religions who oppose homosexuality.

Co-op are supporting the Religious hatred bill, but if that bill was passed they would be commiting religious hatred.

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Peter S Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 108	Will the co-op be able to maintain this act if the new Religious hatred bill is passed?

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arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,699 Party: None	My point in starting this thread was that if the Co-op Bank says no to Christian Voice, and, under pressure, so do all the other banks, then CV as a political party, will face the same problems with the Electoral Commission over auditing as the BNP did with Barclays. Just say, what if UKIP's bankers took against UKIP because powerful customers said an anti-EU stance was crippling their business. The list of complaints against political parties could be endless.

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Peter S Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 108	Yes its good talking about it but all the people should unite who are against this and forget what they think of each other and defend what we won the war to keep, Freedom of Speech!

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Peter S Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 108	There is no religion saying you must accept gays and allow them to have a relationship on your property, there is many religions who oppose homosexuality. Co-op are supporting the Religious hatred bill, but if that bill was passed they would be commiting religious hatred.