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Old 24-06-2005, 01:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The question here though is does the individual have the right to discriminate over which customers he/she allows?

Can you discriminate against any type of person or just people who have made a choice you don't like?

Can bigger organisations discriminate, either positivley or negativley?

As soon as you say yes to any discrimination, you will get others saying they should be able to discriminate on their terms too.

It's a can of worms.
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That's why this government is playing with fire. They keep passing laws outlawing this that and everything it seems, but you cannot legislate to deal with these things.

It has to come organicly from society or there will be no respect for the law.
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oh come on thats a nonsense argument

basically if thery are friendly they would not be turning anyone away they can choice to turn people away for whatever reason however quite rightly they would lose the label of friendly

they can choose to turn away fat people

they can choose to turn away people with beards

they can choose to turn away basically anyoone they want

i dont have a problem with that but if they were to turn away anyone for any reason apart from being full up then they are unfriendly so by still trying to call themselves friendly and welcoming really they are lying

so my issue is not turning away people they can do that if they want we are both agreed on that my issue is by wrongly calling them selves friendly when they are discriminatry but we both agree they can run the B&B any way they want
 
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I was agreeing with you you paranoid Social Autocrat!
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oh come on thats a nonsense argument

basically if thery are friendly they would not be turning anyone away they can choice to turn people away for whatever reason however quite rightly they would lose the label of friendly

they can choose to turn away fat people

they can choose to turn away people with beards

they can choose to turn away basically anyoone they want

i dont have a problem with that but if they were to turn away anyone for any reason apart from being full up then they are unfriendly so by still trying to call themselves friendly and welcoming really they are lying

so my issue is not turning away people they can do that if they want we are both agreed on that my issue is by wrongly calling them selves friendly when they are discriminatry but we both agree they can run the B&B any way they want
Ah the classic liberal, you can only define friendly by what I decree it is according to my current PC obsession.

Answer me this, what about those (I would guess silent majority) guests that do not want [SNIPPED - gay bashing unwelcome here] cavorting alongside them on holiday, would they not find your ideal B+B to be a little unfriendly?
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was agreeing with you you paranoid Social Autocrat!
sorry alex you replyed as i was writing my message it was a bit slow

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Answer me this, what about those (I would guess silent majority) guests that do not want [SNIPPED - gay bashing unwelcome here] cavorting alongside them on holiday, would they not find your ideal B+B to be a little unfriendly
if that is the case then this particular B&B will get increased profits from people who want that coming back to market forces here

oh and what about the freedoms of homosexuals or do they not count. as someone has already pointed out how does it work if one persons freedom stops another person from having freedom
 
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Heh, OK. It just looked for all the world that you were picking an argument for no reason!

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The question here though is does the individual have the right to discriminate over which customers he/she allows?

Can you discriminate against any type of person or just people who have made a choice you don't like?

Can bigger organisations discriminate, either positivley or negativley?.
Here's my take on how it should be:

If you're a sole trader, family business or partnership you should be allowed to discriminate against anyone using whatever reasons you wish. Your house, your rules.

If you're a limited company, PLC, public service or government agency you shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against anyone legally here. The organisation is no longer your house, so it's no longer your rules.
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[SNIPPED - gay bashing unwelcome here]



So what "they" do is biologically what they are designed for?

Is perhaps what "they" do, not what they are biologicaly designed for?

I seem to recall there is a word in the English language to describe this deviation from the normal, now known as "snipped" as in;

He "snipped" the course of history.

or His decision to go to the pub was "snipped".

Just look at yourselves.
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Here's my take on how it should be:

If you're a sole trader, family business or partnership you should be allowed to discriminate against anyone using whatever reasons you wish. Your house, your rules.

If you're a limited company, PLC, public service or government agency you shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against anyone legally here. The organisation is no longer your house, so it's no longer your rules.
I think that I would agree with that.

It isn't good for business anyway. I will NEVER use the holiday company Sandals because their TV adverts specified heterosexual couples only, or more precisely "one man, one woman". I am not sure how that applies to transexuals though. :roll:
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