Does UKIP oppose "incitement to relegious hatred"

Hudson · 10-06-2005, 12:48 AM

They've already determined that a long time ago. An extremist and racist organisation is any that disagrees with Neu Labour, particularly those that represent any threat to Neu Labour power and/or influence. Hatred is to question the wisdom of Neu Labour and the left-liberal metro-media elite. So it's not just the BNP, it's Veritas and the English Democrats and UKIP and any other oldthinkers who will be visiting Minilove.

Yet, as long as there's football on the telly and Lotto scratchcards in the Spa shops, no-one will say a word.

John Carter · 10-06-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

It seems that first New Labour has to determine what extremist and racist organisation actually is and also who is to determine what hatred means in a legal sense.

"You stand here accused of inciting religious hatred. How do you plead?"

"Innocent, your honour. I was inciting religious dislike, not hatred"

Roger Gough · 10-06-2005, 11:47 AM

Slipshod I know, but I can't be fagged to see exactly what the proposed legislation says but this morning, in at least one national paper, tis said that the protection of this law will extend to satanists and witches, not to mention athiests. So what will happen in future if I go to my local church and the Rev proclaims that we should fight everything that Satan stands for, coz he is evil ? The Rev is in the dooh-dah methinks if the 'link' is correct. And what is the legal definition of a witch - or witchcraft ? This lot has the stamp of Baroness Warnock of Warlock all over it who, incidentally, should be put on the child safety register and never taken off.

Anthony Butcher · 10-06-2005, 01:07 PM

Will we see churches gathering evidence against each other? Could this be the start of religious legal warfare :?

The Church of Scientology is going to have a permanent residence in the courts.

10-06-2005, 03:16 PM

Incitement to religious hatred? Isn't that when you upset a religious person so much they hate you and want to do harmful things to you? How can someone be guilty of inciting atheists to religious hatred if they ain't religious?

Will the GCSE in Islamic Studies be dropped? I went to one lesson, it was all I could stand. After discussing proofs of God (which weren't) we were taught only the 'most foolish and stubborn atheists refuse to believe in God'. That's why I left, if a GCSE is extreme, well .....

Christina

mkpdavies · 10-06-2005, 03:26 PM

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Will the GCSE in Islamic Studies be dropped? I went to one lesson, it was all I could stand. After discussing proofs of God (which weren't) we were taught only the 'most foolish and stubborn atheists refuse to believe in God'.

Who was teaching it?

Did they actually preach that message to you, or were they telling you that is the message that Islam teaches. Important difference, as if it is the former, you should raise and official complaint with the education authorities.

10-06-2005, 03:35 PM

The teacher taught it in an evening class. I thought of complaining but I'd be called anti-Muslim wouldn't I. It was about 18 months ago. It was actually stated on the hand-outs, not just said.

Christina

mkpdavies · 10-06-2005, 03:41 PM

You have a damned BNP badge next to your name and you are afraid of being labelled anti-muslim? :shock:

It wouldn't stop me. Mosques/Churches are the place of religious indoctrination. GCSE's are not and you would be totally in your right to complain. The fact you have written evidence is almost like an open goal for righting this wrong.

I didn't do RE for GCSE, but I did it for two years and the Vicar teaching it was very careful not to preach. Credit to him for that.

10-06-2005, 03:45 PM

Temper, temper. It was 18 months ago, I was still asleep as a multiculturalist. I joined the BNP a few weeks ago.

I'd have to join the course again to obtain current papers.

Christina

mkpdavies · 10-06-2005, 03:52 PM

Fair enough.

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10-06-2005, 12:48 AM	#21 (permalink)
Hudson Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 270	Freedom is slavery They've already determined that a long time ago. An extremist and racist organisation is any that disagrees with Neu Labour, particularly those that represent any threat to Neu Labour power and/or influence. Hatred is to question the wisdom of Neu Labour and the left-liberal metro-media elite. So it's not just the BNP, it's Veritas and the English Democrats and UKIP and any other oldthinkers who will be visiting Minilove. Yet, as long as there's football on the telly and Lotto scratchcards in the Spa shops, no-one will say a word.

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	You have a damned BNP badge next to your name and you are afraid of being labelled anti-muslim? :shock: It wouldn't stop me. Mosques/Churches are the place of religious indoctrination. GCSE's are not and you would be totally in your right to complain. The fact you have written evidence is almost like an open goal for righting this wrong. I didn't do RE for GCSE, but I did it for two years and the Vicar teaching it was very careful not to preach. Credit to him for that. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Fair enough. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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10-06-2005, 11:47 AM	#23 (permalink)
Roger Gough Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hotel California Posts: 703	Slipshod I know, but I can't be fagged to see exactly what the proposed legislation says but this morning, in at least one national paper, tis said that the protection of this law will extend to satanists and witches, not to mention athiests. So what will happen in future if I go to my local church and the Rev proclaims that we should fight everything that Satan stands for, coz he is evil ? The Rev is in the dooh-dah methinks if the 'link' is correct. And what is the legal definition of a witch - or witchcraft ? This lot has the stamp of Baroness Warnock of Warlock all over it who, incidentally, should be put on the child safety register and never taken off.

10-06-2005, 01:07 PM	#24 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,731 Party: None	Will we see churches gathering evidence against each other? Could this be the start of religious legal warfare :? The Church of Scientology is going to have a permanent residence in the courts.

10-06-2005, 03:16 PM	#25 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Incitement to religious hatred? Isn't that when you upset a religious person so much they hate you and want to do harmful things to you? How can someone be guilty of inciting atheists to religious hatred if they ain't religious? Will the GCSE in Islamic Studies be dropped? I went to one lesson, it was all I could stand. After discussing proofs of God (which weren't) we were taught only the 'most foolish and stubborn atheists refuse to believe in God'. That's why I left, if a GCSE is extreme, well ..... Christina

10-06-2005, 03:35 PM	#27 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	The teacher taught it in an evening class. I thought of complaining but I'd be called anti-Muslim wouldn't I. It was about 18 months ago. It was actually stated on the hand-outs, not just said. Christina

10-06-2005, 03:45 PM	#29 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Temper, temper. It was 18 months ago, I was still asleep as a multiculturalist. I joined the BNP a few weeks ago. I'd have to join the course again to obtain current papers. Christina