Do you support ID cards?

John Carter · 17-05-2005, 02:34 PM

The issue of ID cards has obviously raised its head again today.

We're told that 80% of the public support them. Here's a quick poll to see what you guys think.

Alex McKee · 17-05-2005, 02:35 PM

Absolute **** that 80% of the populace support them. Perhaps it was 80% of labour's voters

mkpdavies · 17-05-2005, 02:42 PM

www.no2id.net

Waste of money, ineffective, potential for abuse by corrupt government.

The choice of dictatorships everywhere.

No thanks. I still believe in Britain being a free country, not an open prison.

Criminals work around systems anyway, thats what makes them criminals. The only people these stupid little plastic cards and their related database will effect is general public. Money out of our economy every year on something that has zero upside (yes zero) and the potential for plenty of downside.

Bluemerle · 17-05-2005, 02:56 PM

It is an imposition on the law abiding. It will have no impact on terrorism.

We are being spied on too much already. :shock:

Roger Gough · 17-05-2005, 03:07 PM

See 'I.D.Cards' under 'Introduce yourself' section for more comments.

Andrew · 17-05-2005, 08:03 PM

Personally I oppose them, and I would have liked it if Howard had said no to them.

I do want to say this though: I find it somewhat worrying that some people claim a reason for not having identity cards is that they may not be able to work with children unless they have one. Now, I hope I don’t need to remind anyone of Ian Huntley, and I certainly hope I’m not alone in saying I wouldn’t like a repeat.

Intbel · 17-05-2005, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I find it somewhat worrying that some people claim a reason for not having identity cards is that they may not be able to work with children unless they have one.

Currently, anyone who works with children has to undergo a CRO check.
I.D. cards cannot improve on this ... indeed, unless I.D. cards are updated immediately changes are necessary, the current system is preferable.

I do not envisage I.D cards having any but a negative impact upon our society.

Hudson · 17-05-2005, 11:29 PM

But the innocent have nothing to fear scream the proponents.

Just like the innocents of:
North Korea
China
Burma
Cuba
Vietnam
Iran
Zimbabwe
Chile
Taliban Afganistan
Ba'athist Iraq
The USSR
The Third Reich

...and so on ad infinitum throughout human history.

'Those who would sacrifice liberty in the pursuit of security deserve neither' as it were.

Andrew · 18-05-2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intbel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I find it somewhat worrying that some people claim a reason for not having identity cards is that they may not be able to work with children unless they have one.

Currently, anyone who works with children has to undergo a CRO check.
I.D. cards cannot improve on this ... indeed, unless I.D. cards are updated immediately changes are necessary, the current system is preferable.

I do not envisage I.D cards having any but a negative impact upon our society.

And we all know what CRO checks are worth. :roll:
The thing is, although I agree that we shouldn't have identity cards, I don't think screaming "I won't be able to work with children unless I've an identity card" is the best way of gaining support for the against identity cards campaign - if anything, it'll do the complete opposite.

mkpdavies · 19-05-2005, 01:23 PM

http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=546112005

Quote:

THE Conservatives will oppose the government’s identity cards bill, senior Tories said yesterday.

Officially, the party is still debating its response, but well-placed Conservatives yesterday told The Scotsman that the decision had been made to oppose the legislation when it comes to the Commons

Tories finding their balls? Or do they realise this is the best opportunity to get a quick win on Liebour?

On this issue I don't care, as long as the Bliar/EU plan of barcoding our backsides is stopped.

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17-05-2005, 02:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,158 Party: Libertarian Party	www.no2id.net Waste of money, ineffective, potential for abuse by corrupt government. The choice of dictatorships everywhere. No thanks. I still believe in Britain being a free country, not an open prison. Criminals work around systems anyway, thats what makes them criminals. The only people these stupid little plastic cards and their related database will effect is general public. Money out of our economy every year on something that has zero upside (yes zero) and the potential for plenty of downside. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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17-05-2005, 02:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	It is an imposition on the law abiding. It will have no impact on terrorism. We are being spied on too much already. :shock:

17-05-2005, 03:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Roger Gough Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hotel California Posts: 708	See 'I.D.Cards' under 'Introduce yourself' section for more comments.

17-05-2005, 08:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Andrew Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 109	Personally I oppose them, and I would have liked it if Howard had said no to them. I do want to say this though: I find it somewhat worrying that some people claim a reason for not having identity cards is that they may not be able to work with children unless they have one. Now, I hope I don’t need to remind anyone of Ian Huntley, and I certainly hope I’m not alone in saying I wouldn’t like a repeat.

17-05-2005, 11:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Hudson Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Staffordshire Posts: 270	But the innocent have nothing to fear scream the proponents. Just like the innocents of: North Korea China Burma Cuba Vietnam Iran Zimbabwe Chile Taliban Afganistan Ba'athist Iraq The USSR The Third Reich ...and so on ad infinitum throughout human history. 'Those who would sacrifice liberty in the pursuit of security deserve neither' as it were.