You saidOriginally Posted by dloper
The principle is the same. The state deciding on what should be available or not.Both encourage or show criminal offences. Both are freely available. What's the difference between allowing the publication of child porn and encouragement to terrorism?It just strikes me as a dangerous road to tread when the State can decide what information should be freely available and what information can earn a jail sentence.
This is England and .....
The principle is not the same. There is a vast difference between the state deciding that paedophiles cannot indulge their predelictions on children and the state deciding what information we may possess and disseminate. You do both children and freedom of expression a disservice by using children to lever your argument. You may as well argue that if I have no objection to the distribution of anything you find distasteful, then by default I must have no objection to the dissemination of child porn. Completely fallacious.
Last edited by dloper; 04-01-2012 at 02:31 PM.
If I publish or possess child porn thus encouraging the abuse of more children the state should rightly imprison me.If If I publish or possess intructions as to how to make a bomb thus encouraging murder the state should imprison me.
Just as they should for my encouraging any other criminal offence or publishing instructions on how to do so. No difference.
This is England and .....
Try Googling 'home made rocket fuel'. There are plenty of recipes - it's no big secret. Try sulphur 15%, charcoal 15% and sodium nitrate 70%, but be careful - make sure the venturi in your motor is large enough, or it'll explode. I've just published instructions on how to make a bo - oops how to make rocket fuel. Should I go to to jail for disseminating common knowledge? Or perhaps you feel that by giving you commonly known information, I've encouraged you to commit murder.
I think therefore I am a nuisance.
Incitement to commit a criminal offence is, as most people would agree, worthy of prosecution. However, the instructions for commiting an offence are everywhere. Do you ever read crime novels, or watch films? Plenty of instructions and ideas there.
'Incitement' and it's definition is where the problem lies. What, precisely did Ahmed Faraz do that was construed as incitement?
Last edited by dloper; 04-01-2012 at 03:56 PM.
I think therefore I am a nuisance.
I hate to admit this, and Islam does **** me off, but pick up any pre 70's chemistry book and it's full of bomb stuff, also paladin press sell books on how to kill, evade capture etc, all perfectly legal, it's when it becomes a thought crime, then the state goes berserk.
You're probably OK with a '70's chemistry book, and you'd probably be OK with Paladin Press books, but if you had both and a tube ticket, you'd be stuffed.
I think therefore I am a nuisance.
i know this guy, he used to live on my road. He was on Blue Peter in the early 90's playing basketball for golden hillock school!! I played football with him as kids in the local park.
He didnt have anything about making bombs. And he didnt have videos of beheadings, those videos were found at an address he moved out of 3-4 years earlier. The books he was found guilty of were given to him, he'd never even read them and were at the bottom of a huge bpxes of reject books which didnt even make the shelf, he did run a bookshop, which bookshop owners reads every last page of every book in their possession?
He did have a nutjob friend who was raising money for afghan's which is how he ended up in the laws eyes.
he was arrested on numerous occasions but never charged, after sifting through all his stuff for months, that was the best they could come out with and only then was he formerly charged. literature which incites hatred, you think the quraan incites hatred francis....if it did we'd all be in prison.
In fact your convinced beyond reasonable doubt the quraan incites hatred so how bad could what he had been compared to what the quraan already teaches and what every muslims already possess'??
Point being what he did or had was nothing beyond what every muslim and non muslims has already come across. leaflets and pamphlets handed out at local mosques by various people (alot of which like abu hamza are agents). We usually take these leaflets home without even reading them, put em on the table while we shove our rice and kidney beans in the microwave and by the time you finished eating, you forgot you even had a leaflet cus you need an allmighty cr*p.
What i do know about this guy he was behind something he called the quraan project. He was writing an easy to understand quraan translation in simple english for muslim kids and non muslims to understand the religion better from a peacefull perspective.
If you ever drove into birmingham and seen the quraan quotes about jesus on billboards, this is the guy behind it. He was trying to bridge gaps between christian and muslim communities by advertising similarities in our beliefs.
he is a family guy, quite guy, never hurt a fly even when hes brother got his nose broke by local thug, he didnt do anything, because our religion teaches composure and to withold anger. he didnt not react out of fear, since he is quite a big lad, and the thugs were kids to him. He didnt react because thats the islamic thing to do.
Hes got 3-4 kids and his life revolved around his kids, i only ever see him taking his kids to and from school, and an english school BTW, not an islamic one.
feel sorry for the guy, he has not commited any crime.
F*cked up thing is, on the block we grew up on, there were about 7 heroine dealers, about 10 crack dealers, and about 25 cannabis dealers, a whole family of car thieves, fraudsters scamming £10million plus on VAT, people avoiding taxes on business', people selling fake insurance policies, back dated policies - but from all those criminals, this guy is prison for a poxy leaflet while the real criminals are cruising around in their 2010 M3's......the man who wanted to preach peace is locked up, the people destroying our community are free.
is that right?
Last edited by alemcodon; 13-01-2012 at 03:26 PM.
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