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    Grammar schools and meritocracy

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    The debate and deception over the grammar school system in the UK could serve as a perfect example of what is wrong with Labour and British society in general, as well as the active fraud being touted by the Conservative Party.

    I want you to imagine for a moment that you were fortunate enough to have an academically gifted child who excelled in Maths and Science, but you cannot afford to send that child to a private school. What options would you prefer to have open to you? Would you like your young one to go into a school and a class full of mixed ability students,or would you opt for an academically selective school that recognised your offspring’s talents and offered tailored learning, teachers and facilities to allow junior to fully develop all his or her talent?

    If you choose option two, then I sincerely hope you are not a Labour voter. Labour have done more to demolish the grammar school system (that was option two) than any other party in history. Ah OK, so we all we have to do is hope the Conservative Party return to power and undo all the nonsense, right? Wrong. The Conservatives have never, and will never, reverse the damage done to meritocracy in the school system. Indeed, they actively participate in the demolition of it.

    The fundamental principle of the grammar school system is opportunity. Bright students from any class, colour or creed can be selected to attend a school catering to their full potential through accelerated learning and appropriate treatment. That’s it. There is no excessive payment involved, there is no grand conspiracy to pick the finest and throw them into some privileged club, and those who do not make it can continue their education in a comprehensive school (just like me) that, in turn, is free to accommodate, plan and help students of a certain level. In short, it helps everyone.

    This piece of common sense – like most others – has been blown to pieces by Labour and teh liberal establishment. Grammar schools have been viciously attacked as some form or elitism or symbol of inequality amongst the people, as though they were part of some grand plan to steal education from anyone who could not pass the entrance exam. Instead, we have been treated to the great dumbing down of British pupils via the comprehensive system.

    If grammar schools were restored, comprehensives could go back to doing their job of assisting students to find their own skills, be they practical, specialised or simply identifying and overcoming any problems holding them back in the classroom. Right now though, the comprehensive system – of which I am a product – serves as an emblem of left wing ideology that everyone is equal. In this case, everyone is equally dumbed-down. Comprehensives offer no grouping by ability (with very minor exceptions) and subscribe to the philosophy that by mixing stronger and weaker students in one class, the weaker ones will gain some kind of benefit.

    As a teacher myself, I can tell you categorically that in my experience, this theory does not work. Certainly there is little scientific evidence to support it. Rather – and surely this is a predictable conclusion to such an experiment – the class often settles down to a middle ground between the weakest and the strongest. Equally often, the class will take the character of the strongest and most vocal personalities in the group, which is rarely the brightest of the bunch, as those types tend to focus more on their studies than influence of their peers.

    But it is not only the make up of the schools that have been transformed, the nature of the curriculum has changed too. In 2003, ‘Private Eye’ magazine published teh diary of a teacher in a standard comprehensive school. The diary was so shocking that, intially, some claimed it was fake or exagerrated. The writer of teh diary has since been revealed and teh deatils held to be true. I have never taught professionally in the UK but I have taken an active interest in educational developments and I have several friends who work as teachers or otherwise within the system. The conclusion is simple: we are producing higher grades through weaker exams, and lesser-skilled students through a liberal teaching ideology that focuses on life skills over core subjects and political correctness over practicalities.

    The teachers must often feel like soldiers in the front line.Part of this ideological experiment focuses on student-centered learning to the (ahem) degree that discipline and mutual respect have become dirty ideas. Assaults on teachers are at an all time high. My own hometown figures in the national top ten for the number of students expelled for violence in the classroom.

    It’s a Marxist’s dream and a Conservative’s nightmare, and it’s all happened under the watch of a Tory party who have done little to object. Moreover, many of them take part in its circumvention purely for selfish reasons. David Cameron, like so many of the elite, has moved into an area with souring house prices to land in the catchment area of one of Britain’s top schools. Effectively, such schools become private schools, the local property prices being determined by nothing but the locality of the school. Too bad that the rest of us cannot afford such massive house prices in tough times.

    What can be done to reverse the body blow struck to our education system? UKIP, to their massive credit, actively support restoration of grammar schools. Popular Alliance go one step further and pledge to restore grammar schools, return balance to the curriculum and restore classroom control to the teacher. No we are not talking canes and ten hour detentions, but simply the ability to punish and reprimand where appropriate. Like so many of Labour’s targets for destruction, the Popular Alliance system is based and tried, trusted and effective techniques.

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    Grammar schools were not just good because they were Grammar schools as people seem to think today.
    They were good because they were based on the best of Britain’s Public and very Right Wing education system.
    Uniforms, Discipline through corporal punishment, school cadet forces and British Nationalism being very much the other of the day.
    If we brought back Grammar schools today they would be nothing like this.

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    One reason they worked is that pupils knew they could be asked leave at a moment's notice if they weren't prepared to fit in - and the alternatives were clearly less attractive. In other words the pupils were in a very positive sense volunteers.

    Somelike like that still applies in existing grammar schools, and certainly in the independent sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by British-Conservatism View Post
    Grammar schools were not just good because they were Grammar schools as people seem to think today.
    They were good because they were based on the best of Britain’s Public and very Right Wing education system.
    Uniforms, Discipline through corporal punishment, school cadet forces and British Nationalism being very much the other of the day.
    If we brought back Grammar schools today they would be nothing like this.
    Funny that the Grammar School I went to in the 60's certainly was not Right wing (whatever that is) did not have a cadet force but did have a very good teaching and disciplinary system - sadly all wasted by conversion to the comprehensive system and the development of a lack of respect and discipline

    BTW it was the Thatcher government that outlawed corporal punishment in 87
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    Quote Originally Posted by British-Conservatism View Post
    Grammar schools were not just good because they were Grammar schools as people seem to think today.
    They were good because they were based on the best of Britain’s Public and very Right Wing education system.
    Uniforms, Discipline through corporal punishment, school cadet forces and British Nationalism being very much the other of the day.
    If we brought back Grammar schools today they would be nothing like this.
    I tend to agree more with G Hall rather than your good self. The system you describe implies that patriotism is "taught", but really that is not possible. WE can encourage patriotism by teaching about history, flying the flag, discussing Britain, etc. all of which we daren't do in PC Britain of course but you cannot actually enforce patriotism.

    This is something I've learned from living in countries with restrictions on free speech that are different to those in the UK.
    Grammar schools may not be exactly as you'd like them but don't you think they'd be better than what we have now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g hall View Post
    Funny that the Grammar School I went to in the 60's certainly was not Right wing (whatever that is) did not have a cadet force but did have a very good teaching and disciplinary system - sadly all wasted by conversion to the comprehensive system and the development of a lack of respect and discipline

    BTW it was the Thatcher government that outlawed corporal punishment in 87
    Corporal punishment was being done away with on a local level long before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the englishman View Post
    I tend to agree more with G Hall rather than your good self. The system you describe implies that patriotism is "taught", but really that is not possible. WE can encourage patriotism by teaching about history, flying the flag, discussing Britain, etc. all of which we daren't do in PC Britain of course but you cannot actually enforce patriotism.

    This is something I've learned from living in countries with restrictions on free speech that are different to those in the UK.
    Grammar schools may not be exactly as you'd like them but don't you think they'd be better than what we have now?
    Well make every country in the school a Grammar school then. (I know you need the sink schools or the system wont work)/
    But it won’t be that much of an improvement.
    All that’s left is the willing volunteer notion you mentioned which is far from being enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g hall View Post
    Funny that the Grammar School I went to in the 60's certainly was not Right wing (whatever that is) did not have a cadet force but did have a very good teaching and disciplinary system - sadly all wasted by conversion to the comprehensive system and the development of a lack of respect and discipline

    BTW it was the Thatcher government that outlawed corporal punishment in 87
    I remember a chatter I think it was on here who mentioned that his Grammar school head master called an emergency assembly when the Soviets put a man in space.
    He then went on to re-assure the kids that the British Empire would have put a man in space much sooner had we thought it worth it.
    I was reading the autobiography of Oliver Reed last year and his Grammar schools was much the same.
    His headmaster drilled into the kids British Nationalism every day.
    To the people I know myself who attended Grammar schools this was much the same experience they had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by British-Conservatism View Post
    I remember a chatter I think it was on here who mentioned that his Grammar school head master called an emergency assembly when the Soviets put a man in space.
    He then went on to re-assure the kids that the British Empire would have put a man in space much sooner had we thought it worth it.
    Was his name Herbert George Wells ?

    I was reading the autobiography of Oliver Reed last year and his Grammar schools was much the same.
    His headmaster drilled into the kids British Nationalism every day.
    To the people I know myself who attended Grammar schools this was much the same experience they had.
    Last time I saw Ollie Reed he looked like he wouldn't know his ar5e from his elbow

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    What exactly is or was British nationalism ?
    "That government is best which governs least."
    "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries".
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    I attended Grammar school in the 60s and although the discipline could sometimes seem harsh I enjoyed my time there. My children were considered 'gifted' by their teachers in primary school and we were advised to enter them into the selection system for Grammar school, although we live in a comprehensive area. We did this, at cost to us, and they both achieved their full potential. My eldest now has two children, they moved to a selective area and now both my grandchildren attend Grammar school. Bright children still need to be encouraged to reach their full potential and IMO they don't get the chance in mixed ability schools.

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