Thread: The Ash conspiracy and why we are not allowed to smoke

Originally Posted by lorraine

I have to agree that many pubs and clubs have closed because of the smoking ban, unless you are a smoker, you would never understand that, because it is the smoker that has decided not to go out in the cold. If however all these anti non smokers who say this is not true, probably have never entered a pub or club with friends only on their own.
Just watched a Sir Jimmy Saville programme always had a cigar in his hand, did more charity work than most.
What did the government do, bring in all day drinking, thinking this would bring in the revenue, but it didn't, there is nothing better for a smoker to sit back and have a cigarette with a drink, then for me, jump up to dance to music that I like, the freedom of that was taken away. The freedom of discussion after a meal was taken away from a smoker who has to go outside in the cold.
So what do we do, we move into our own circles, keep out of the pubs, clubs and keep out of the restaurants, and make our own fun indoors.

There was an interesting thing happening in the early stages of the ban. You had a situation where you would go into a place and where the seating and talking areas were there were some one or two people at most, and then you went outside into the freezing cold and there was a huge crowd drinking and some smoking. The non-smokers had followed the smokers outside because it was rather rude to let them stand outside on their own. I'm sure not all places were like that, but where there was a decent crowd of people you seemed to get that happening. I suppose that is the best of British still evident in even today's fascist world that they should do that. Anyhow, since in these situations you had everyone freezing their nuts off in the cold without a seat I suspect these crowds just said to themselves, lets get out of here and do something else.

Personally I don't go out these days, and amongst my crowd of friends we normally visit each other at our houses now. The venue we once used to regularly go to has not shut down, but it has changed into doing things like tacky American fitness classes and selling rugs and well anything else it can find to pay the bills. Once upon a time it was on the map of music venues with a well-earned reputation back in pre-revolutionary times. And yes - people like yourself would get up and dance!

Originally Posted by alycidond9009

Wow, the plod enforcing the Law??????

What law would that be exactly?

Originally Posted by alycidond9009

The smoking ban has little or nothing to do with Pub closures, it has a lot to do with the gready breweries and tied tennants.

Have You noticed that no Whetherspoon have closed?

The Supermarkets who give to politicaly correct causes, who sell alcohol at below cost price to the pub often.

One of our locals was smoke free for years before the ban, and yet still closed last spring.

And about the little chef incident.....

Why the hell woul anybody need to have a fag while eating?

The pub closures have everything to do with the smoking ban. Supermarkets do not sell alcohol to pubs.Brewers sell alcohol to pubs which are often tied.

And I don't actually know anyone who wanted a fag while actually eating. But I know lots pf people who like a fag after after a meal with their coffee.

As I said, you could make a case for banning smoking in restaurants.There is no justification for banning smoking in every part of a pub. Pubs are and have always been a traditional part of British life. Their destruction by successive governments with nonsensical laws diminishes us and removes one of things which bind us together as a nation.

But perhaps that's the plan.

Originally Posted by Northumbrian

Smoking's ridiculous....

Of course it is. It's expensive and can kill you. Like motor racing,sky diving,bungee jumping and mountaineering. But if people want to carry out perfectly legal acts to their own detriment that's their problem.

Originally Posted by alycidond9009

Well, if it wasn't legal to move them on, why didn't they tell the Police where to go?

Because they would probably get trouble from them. You know how people are, the police tell them to do something and they often assume it is the law, just like you are doing. Personally I have said to the police once or twice what law are you using in order to tell me to do that, and they start having a right fit. They are used to being obeyed and not used to people knowing the law. In fact it often scares them when you do. Perhaps you might be able to draw some conclusion as to why a policeman might be frightened when someone knows the law.