BNP Policy Debate - Education

**Chrono Mizaki** · 27-02-2010 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Britt Andrew Prowd

It is ridiculous to suggest that the current trendy teaching methods are working.

Thus we scrap them and come up with another alternative. Or look back and see what worked.

When a cane was used, teachers could control the class. Nowdays, teachers struggle to control their class. Common denominator? Corporal punishment.

Weird, considering my mother see a very orderly class back in her days and yet, corporal punishment was banned? So what worked for my mother's class that kept a class in order without the need of a cane? Why was there such a kind class, according to my mother, who respected the teacher and yet, they couldn't even raise their hand or cane because of a law that prohibits them so? I don't know myself, but with an example like that my mother told me, something must have done so well to keep a child in order without physical discipline.

**Consider Dudley** · 27-02-2010 04:46 PM

"Smacking a child is the way forward"

I disagree vehemently. Smacking a child is a step back towards the Dark Ages.

It is perfectly possible to gain respect, have a disciplined child and good results from that child without resorting to the cane.

There are schools currently operating in this country which are testament to that fact. The solution is to look at what they are doing right and adopt the same methods in all areas of Primary and Secondary education.

**Chrono Mizaki** · 27-02-2010 04:49 PM

And let's not forget, but let's look at Japan, which is a 'oh so good example' that BNP supporters used.

No Corporal Punishment there, yet IQ is still high and children in the class still have high respect for their tutor.

**Joely** · 27-02-2010 04:54 PM

There are schools currently operating in this country which are testament to that fact. The solution is to look at what they are doing right and adopt the same methods in all areas of Primary and Secondary education.

The excellence of almost every school in this country has declined since the commemoration of the Education Act of 1988. It's time to return to more traditional teaching methods, as they prospered for earlier generations.

**Joely** · 27-02-2010 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Chrono Mizaki

And let's not forget, but let's look at Japan, which is a 'oh so good example' that BNP supporters used.

No Corporal Punishment there, yet IQ is still high and children in the class still have high respect for their tutor.

Ironic that you should mention Japan. BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Japan schools to rethink beating

I think that underpins the point me and Andrew have been making.

**Britt Andrew Prowd** · 27-02-2010 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Chrono Mizaki

Thus we scrap them and come up with another alternative. Or look back and see what worked.

Spot on. With an approach based on physical punishment being the correct alternative.

Originally Posted by Chrono Mizaki

Weird, considering my mother see a very orderly class back in her days and yet, corporal punishment was banned? So what worked for my mother's class that kept a class in order without the need of a cane? Why was there such a kind class, according to my mother, who respected the teacher and yet, they couldn't even raise their hand or cane because of a law that prohibits them so? I don't know myself, but with an example like that my mother told me, something must have done so well to keep a child in order without physical discipline.

Where did your mother teach?

Have you ever observed a lesson in a proletariat, impoverished part of London? Because I have.

Kids were swinging on the curtains; kicking the small, metal bin in the corner to a pulp; chucking paper planes and paper balls around the room and the noise was intolerable.

The teacher sat at her desk completely powerless. Now, do you think these children would be so keen to behave in such a rowdy, disorderly manner if they knew a good ol’ whack would result from their misconduct?

**Chrono Mizaki** · 27-02-2010 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Joely

Ironic that you should mention Japan. BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Japan schools to rethink beating

I think that underpins the point me and Andrew have been making.

Yet regardless, as I've witnessed so far in Japan Society, in books, in news, etc, that Japanese children are well-mannered, hard-working and gain high grades, yet no one has used corporal punishment to set them straight. It still exist in 2010... So tell me, why should corporal punishment return?

**Joely** · 27-02-2010 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Chrono Mizaki

Yet regardless, as I've witnessed so far in Japan Society, in books, in news, etc, that Japanese children are well-mannered, hard-working and gain high grades, yet no one has used corporal punishment to set them straight. It still exist in 2010... So tell me, why should corporal punishment return?

Because when it was imposed on children in this country, we had ravishing academic and economic success. Now, employers have recently been exclaiming that freshly educated youths lack the necessary skills in communication, management and discipline to coherently undergo 8 hours of work per day. Civitas, a renowned think-tank, backs up the claims the BNP makes on education manifestations.

Anyhow, as promulgated in that article, Japanese children may be sincere and polite currently, but before when corporal punishment was implemented, they were even better [i.e. far less bullying].

**Chrono Mizaki** · 27-02-2010 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Britt Andrew Prowd

Spot on. With an approach based on physical punishment being the correct alternative.

Or other methods.

Where did your mother teach?

Did I say my mother taught? She didn't. I was talking about my mother being in a school back in the late 70s - early 80s. And yet, it was a orderly class, as she described, and no corporal punishment was used. This further backs my fact that corporal punishment is useless.

Have you ever observed a lesson in a proletariat, impoverished part of London? Because I have.

I've never been in London. If you want my experience of my life in a high school in Bradford, then I shall tell you the tale.

At times it was dreadfully noisy, but other times: It was extremely quiet as a whistle. We all worked in teams, sometimes we all got along... except for myself, because everyone hated me so much, yet they have me in a team, made a few friends and we all worked together in groups... or we worked hard on our own. Yet some people are naughty and rude... yet the punishment was... the 'study room'. To me it was torturous, to others, it was nothing. I hated it because I miss my breaks, my dinners and I have to continuously work or copy on some work that seem like Primary School grade. I hated it, yet others weren't bothered.

It did me right, but I can't say about the others.

Kids were swinging on the curtains; kicking the small, metal bin in the corner to a pulp; chucking paper planes and paper balls around the room and the noise was intolerable.

Then that's a extremely bad example.

The teacher sat at her desk completely powerless. Now, do you think these children would be so keen to behave in such a rowdy, disorderly manner if they knew a good ol’ whack would result from their misconduct?

Well, you can whack them right now... and you'll be greeted with a pin down from all the children and a bloody nose from your end.

**Britt Andrew Prowd** · 27-02-2010 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Chrono Mizaki

Or other methods.

Suggest a better alternative. The schools are failing without it.

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