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    Quote Originally Posted by Bateman View Post
    It's cheap to talk about executing paedophiles. I wouldn't have a problem with executing the Huntleys and Whitings of this world but I think you need to define what you mean by paedophile. Would anyone here be in favour of executing someone who was convicted of trawling the web for kiddie porn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joely View Post
    Andrew, BNP policy is to only prosecute criminals with capital punishment when there is incriminating evidence, such as video footage and DNA.
    Joely, you are completely mistaken.

    The BNP policy is to merely introduce capital punishment as an option for the judge.

    When capital punishment is inflicted will be purely down to the judge’s discretion and professional judgement.

    The BNP are not specifying the circumstances where it is necessary, that is purely down to the judge.
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    - Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence)
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    If my understanding is correct, if this policy was implemented a judge would be able to sentence to death someone who hasn't actually abused a child because a paedophile is someone who has a psychological disorder where they have a preference for pre pubescent children. They may not act on this, so essentially it's a thought crime. The wording needs to be changed to child sex abusers.

    I'm against the death penalty for child sex abusers and paedophiles because i believe it would not act as a strong enough deterrent seeing as its a psychological disorder if their going to act on their urges they will anyway. Seeing as most abuse happens at home won't the death penalty merely drive this more underground? I'm not sure how many victims would want family members executed, so this could deter victims from coming forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobbler View Post
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    If my understanding is correct, if this policy was implemented a judge would be able to sentence to death someone who hasn't actually abused a child because a paedophile is someone who has a psychological disorder where they have a preference for pre pubescent children. They may not act on this, so essentially it's a thought crime. The wording needs to be changed to child sex abusers.

    I'm against the death penalty for child sex abusers and paedophiles because i believe it would not act as a strong enough deterrent seeing as its a psychological disorder if their going to act on their urges they will anyway. Seeing as most abuse happens at home won't the death penalty merely drive this more underground? I'm not sure how many victims would want family members executed, so this could deter victims from coming forward.
    If a family member is sick & twisted enough to commit such acts I believe that they deserve everything that comes to them. What might be a good idea is if the victim decides the punishment given to the person who has committed such a vile act. I think this would be much more fair, bearing in mind that most 70-odd ear old upper class men in wigs probably wouldn't have a clue about the feelings of the victims in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobbler View Post
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    If my understanding is correct, if this policy was implemented a judge would be able to sentence to death someone who hasn't actually abused a child because a paedophile is someone who has a psychological disorder where they have a preference for pre pubescent children. They may not act on this, so essentially it's a thought crime. The wording needs to be changed to child sex abusers.

    I'm against the death penalty for child sex abusers and paedophiles because i believe it would not act as a strong enough deterrent seeing as its a psychological disorder if their going to act on their urges they will anyway. Seeing as most abuse happens at home won't the death penalty merely drive this more underground? I'm not sure how many victims would want family members executed, so this could deter victims from coming forward.
    I agree 100% with everything you have said there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britt Andrew Prowd View Post
    Joely, you are completely mistaken.

    The BNP policy is to merely introduce capital punishment as an option for the judge.

    When capital punishment is inflicted will be purely down to the judge’s discretion and professional judgement.

    The BNP are not specifying the circumstances where it is necessary, that is purely down to the judge.

    - Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).

    That is what I dub as incriminating evidence; I believe it is you that is contaminated with the misconception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joely View Post
    - Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).

    That is what I dub as incriminating evidence; I believe it is you that is contaminated with the misconception.
    Actually, 'tis you with misconception. You actually posted the 'incriminating evidence' yourself.

    Look again over what you posted but focus on the main point; "as an option for judges".

    The policy specifically states that it is an 'option for judges', all it then goes on to do is state the bleedin' obvious. The point the policy makes is that it's an "option for judges" and purely down to the judge's discretion whether a death penalty is implemented or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britt Andrew Prowd View Post
    Actually, 'tis you with misconception. You actually posted the 'incriminating evidence' yourself.

    Look again over what you posted but focus on the main point; "as an option for judges".

    The policy specifically states that it is an 'option for judges', all it then goes on to do is state the bleedin' obvious. The point the policy makes is that it's an "option for judges" and purely down to the judge's discretion whether a death penalty is implemented or not.
    I agree it's just an option for judges, they might choose to sentence a murderer to life in prison but they also have the option to impose the death penalty. This would come down to the judges own view. Does anyone know whether the BNP would re-introduce the death penalty for treason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobbler View Post
    I agree it's just an option for judges, they might choose to sentence a murderer to life in prison but they also have the option to impose the death penalty. This would come down to the judges own view. Does anyone know whether the BNP would re-introduce the death penalty for treason?
    Isn't there already a death penalty for treason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britt Andrew Prowd View Post
    Isn't there already a death penalty for treason?
    There used to be a tecnicality that overseas territories could still give the death penalty for treason and piracy but im not certain if it still exists now but its definetly abolished in the UK.

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