Ea of Dune

Just wondered what everyones opinion is on here about how you think the Right and Eurosceptic movement is going to do at the local elections and also general election?
I think if I was to put hand on heart and be thoroughly truthful I don't think UKIP, ED's etc. are not going to do particularly well.
Whilst some Assembly seats may be one for example the infighting and factionalism I think is going to be our undoing by the next general election.
I've just read through the ED's section where there are threads such as are the ED's finished.
Whilst it would be easy for other parties to gloat, and when UKIP have had a kick in the balls, other parties have been just as bad, is this actually doing any benefit to the Eurosceptic movement?
So what do you honestly think the best recourse is to addressing the issue?
I think unlike some states we have the problem/benefit that Britain is made up of more then one country. This immediatly splits the movement between the Unionists and Nationalists which I believe is proving a bit of a barrier between forming an effective Eurosceptic block in politics.
I don't doubt that some peoples ego's will prevent them working with "UKIP" or whoever.
So really folks, how do we address this and make sure we don't end up obsolete?

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Hartlepool

UKIP will not end up in an obsolete state until it has been outlawaed along with the other parties who have the countries people and interests at heart.

UKIP have three hurdles left to jump,the first hurdle is this week in the local elections,if they get more than last year,ie one,then that is an improvement.

UKIPs second hurdle is next year in the European Union Elections,last time they had 12 MEPs elected with nine still in situ,therefore,they should expect more than the original 12 MEPs to be elected,as that would be an improvement too.

The third hurdle is in 2010 General Election,UKIP currently has one MP,Mr Bob Spink,wheather he runs for UKIP or not next time is important, but if he doe, then progress would be shown by another UKIP MP being elected as well as him being retained,if he doesn't run for UKIP,then UKIP needs to have one MP elected,that would also be improvement as well.

Until such time as others like the bnp have National representation in the HoC,HoL and the EP it seems silly for them and others to try to compare themselves in any way with UKIP.

Ea of Dune

Hartlepool> Interesting response, thanks. Obviously Bob Spink coming over to a proper Eurosceptic party is a great bonus, let's hope more follow him!

So what is your opinion of the way forward should the worst case scenario happen e.g. Spink isn't re-elected, UKIP do poorly at the GLA etc etc?

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Hartlepool

I believe that the locals will produce more than one UKIP member being elected this week,the General Election is two years away but I dont think Broon will see this year out and hope for an election in 2008/9,if this happens(the earlier the better for UKIP) then UKIP would be looked on very favourably by the electorate of the country in one or two areas and may bring a great result for them.....a breakthrough?.....We would have to see what the EP Elections brought first I think.

Idon't see that UKIP would enter a worst case scenario in the locals,EU or GE,honestly.

The Bear

Although I can well understand the delight that many people have in Spink adopting the UKIP as the party he has decided he wants to associate himself with I do feel that the people at Castle point who voted for the Conservative Party have been left out in the cold.

Given that people vote for the party and not the man, with the exception of when the man had been standing as an independent if the man wants to dissociate himself from the party that he represented during the election that saw him returned to office, the honourable thing for him to do is to apply for the Chiltern Hundreds and stand for election on the ticket he now wants to support in the by-election so created.

As I wrote, I can well understand the delight for the UKIP to now have a presence in Westminster. What a shame it had to happen in such an unsatisfactory manner.

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ranter

Agree with bear on this one,what would we think on having voted in a UKIP mp he then says he's joining labour?
Back to the origional question, I dont think the anti Euro vote will be very good at all.There are just too many people in this country now who rely on the state for a living wether they be working for it or poncing off it.Those who are anti EU will vote for the party that has a chance of winning an election and can get us the best deal while were in it which seems to be the conservatives. (please someone tell me I'm wrong)

mkpdavies

I think you are wrong saying Blue Labour will get us a good deal. They will promise one, then do what Labour were going to do anyway.

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Hartlepool

If you want to talk about the CONservatives and honour just don't mention promises to get yourself elected as the leader like the dishonourable Camoron did ref taking them out of the EPP.

Spink came to UKIP by choice because he was sick of the dirty setup within the nasty CONservatives,and,who can blame him with their track record of lying about being Euroskeptic,they're about as euroskeptic as Ted Heath and their buddy bliar is,not to mention the whole Libeural Dem pro EU komrads in arms.

Ea of Dune

Yes if the Tories get in watch the whole charade start over again. We will get the jubilation like when Balir got in, then 10 years later after the vice, corruption and lies have got too much, Labour will get voted back in, probably with some slimey git like Millipeade leading them.. urghs!

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ranter

Your making me depressed^^^^^