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Old 27-03-2008, 01:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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... everyone one of us on this forum opposed to the EU, upped sticks and moved to Belgium. We all got jobs within the cogs of the EU and exposed the corruption and fraud from the inside.

Do you think that you could do enough damage to stop Britain joining up?
I was having this hypothetical conversation with a friend and we where discussing whether 200 people joining the mechanisms of the EU could do more for the cause then 200 campaigners .

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Old 27-03-2008, 01:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not all the so called fraud is fraud. Not by a long chalk.
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... everyone one of us on this forum opposed to the EU, upped sticks and moved to Belgium. We all got jobs within the cogs of the EU and exposed the corruption and fraud from the inside.

Do you think that you could do enough damage to stop Britain joining up?
I was having this hypothetical conversation with a friend and we where discussing whether 200 people joining the mechanisms of the EU could do more for the cause then 200 campaigners .

What do you think?

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Forget the exposure and fraud part of this . . .

Go for the straightforward sabotage option.
I'll leave the possibilities to your own imagination.
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Definitley infiltrating the ranks as if you were one of the Gravy train runners and then exposing it for what it is would be fantastic.
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There have been plenty of whistle-blowers.
The voters don't listen to them.

That might be because that *news* is not reported on the BBC and elsewhere.

The point is that the whistle-blowing hasn't hurt the EU. A more direct form of infiltration and attack might be more advantageous and successful.
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There have been plenty of whistle-blowers.
The voters don't listen to them.

That might be because that *news* is not reported on the BBC and elsewhere.

The point is that the whistle-blowing hasn't hurt the EU. A more direct form of infiltration and attack might be more advantageous and successful.
The electorate is most likely to listen to grass roots opposition groups on home ground and investigative journalists of the EU. Journalists are maverick and designed to gather information. Opposition groups are designed to defend the people's interests. It was journalists who broke Watergate. It was grass roots opposition that made the Vietnam war unpopular.
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There have been plenty of whistle-blowers.
The voters don't listen to them.
The point is that the whistle-blowing hasn't hurt the EU.
Unfortunately so very true! Naive Joe and Jane public probably think that the EU bad exposures are just "paper talk"! A great many intelligent people who aren't interested in politics still believe that the EU can't be bad for our Country because British politicians from all three main parties are so keen on it! That, plus general apathy is the reason the EU is so successful in it's onward march for the benefit of Europe's unelected political elite! Absolute power to the few over the many! I just hope I live long enough to see the worm turn!
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It was grass roots opposition that made the Vietnam war unpopular.
I think it was 55,000 American body bags that had the biggest effect in ending that war!
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I think it was 55,000 American body bags that had the biggest effect in ending that war!
Yes, but I don't like to downplay the effort of people who speak out. There are body bags mounting up now as well, and many speaking out. Hope the same message can be relayed this time. Stop the wars and start a new kind of resolution to conflict.
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Quote: "Go for the straightforward sabotage option.
I'll leave the possibilities to your own imagination."

I email EU chaps/chappesses whoes eMail addresses I find on their charmingly obtuse websites.

I phone UK EU traitors and ask questions like,
.........Do you know that EU Department XYZ of South Scotland is raising wages by 50% for all EU workers.............................

........ I was just on your website and some naughty hacker has posted porno images of naughty naked women ...... What page?.........sorry I cant remember.......

........... Is Mike [or anyone listed on there site] there?
........... is it true he/she got £5000 for pretending to be an EU inspector of ........

any old ...........My great hero T.E. lawrence won a war by blowing up trains.............. I expect to do the same using ITC communications.

Churchill said, " fight them on the beaches and on the world wide web"

"Never Surrender"

"We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing-grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!"

—House of Commons, 4 June 1940, following the evacuation of British and French armies from Dunkirkas the German tide swept through France.
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