War breaks out in Somerton & Frome

Britannist · 05-03-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov

I was just going to post something I heard on the radio today. I only caught it half way through but the gist of it is that the Libdems and Nick Clegg in particular are in a right mess. Britannist will be delighted with the news!

......I am

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Europhile Clegg was interviewed on Newsnight last night: he appeared (when questioned by Jeremy Paxman) nervous and defensive.

Richard Allen · 05-03-2008, 09:50 PM

At least one of the Lib Dem front benchers who resigned and voted against the treaty did so out of principle. Alistair Carmichael represent the rock solid Lib Dem seat of Orkney and Shetland and can hardly be accused of being worried for his survival. In 2005 he polled 9,138 compared to just 2,511 for his closest rival.

Britannist · 05-03-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Allen

At least one of the Lib Dem front benchers who resigned and voted against the treaty did so out of principle.

And the other two (Heath majority 812 votes - Farron majority 267 votes)?

Britannist · 05-03-2008, 10:36 PM

"Clegg on the defensive in television interview":

Television reports on EU Treaty referendum vote: Pro-EU Clegg on the defensive

Richard Allen · 06-03-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

And the other two (Heath majority 812 votes - Farron majority 267 votes)?

They may have voted out of self interest and they may have voted out of principle. Neither you nor I can know. Only they know why they did what they did.

For the record, John Hemming who was mentioned earlier in this thread did vote for a referendum.

Britannist · 06-03-2008, 03:27 AM

David Heath, the Liberal 'Democrat' MP for Somerton-Frome (who voted for an EU Treaty referendum), faces a strong challenge to his wafer-thin majority from Conservative Miss Rees-Mogg who is eurosceptic.

Whether Liberal 'Democrat' MPs voted for an EU 'Amending' Treaty referendum or not (and most did not) they are all europhiles who will (if returned at the next General Election) be back in the House of Commons voting for more UK sovereign powers to be handed to the EU.

Britannist · 06-03-2008, 06:45 AM

List of Liberal 'Dem.' MPs who voted in Commons for EU Treaty referendum:

EU Treaty referendum vote in Commons: list of Labour/Lib 'Dem.' MPs who backed Tories

Britannist · 06-03-2008, 06:58 AM

A full list of how all the MPs who took part in yesterday's Commons division on having an EU Treaty referendum voted:

So, we left it to the Tories.

Richard Allen · 09-03-2008, 07:13 PM

I understand that John Hemming plans to vote against the third reading of the bill (which takes place on tuesday) due to the fact that the referendum amendment was defeated. He abstained on second reading.

Baron von Lotsov · 09-03-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

David Heath, the Liberal 'Democrat' MP for Somerton-Frome (who voted for an EU Treaty referendum), faces a strong challenge to his wafer-thin majority from Conservative Miss Rees-Mogg who is eurosceptic.

Whether Liberal 'Democrat' MPs voted for an EU 'Amending' Treaty referendum or not (and most did not) they are all europhiles who will (if returned at the next General Election) be back in the House of Commons voting for more UK sovereign powers to be handed to the EU.

Yes, they were all in the local this week. The interesting thing is that they are not at loggerheads but all seem to strongly agree on this issue. There is a strong eurosceptic consensus amongst them and even Heath has gone from attacking the 'I want a referendum' group to saying he agrees with them and in return for his action the Conservatives, including David Heathcoat Amory are all very happy with the result and it was quite fantastic, something of the order of 90% for a referendum and the same proportion wanting to vote against the treaty. So things could not be better over this way, only the snide Labour candidate spoilt the party but he was meekly saying something like he felt he could be the only European in this area, and he is probably right.

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05-03-2008, 09:50 PM	#92 (permalink)
Richard Allen Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 571	At least one of the Lib Dem front benchers who resigned and voted against the treaty did so out of principle. Alistair Carmichael represent the rock solid Lib Dem seat of Orkney and Shetland and can hardly be accused of being worried for his survival. In 2005 he polled 9,138 compared to just 2,511 for his closest rival.

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Richard Allen Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 571	I understand that John Hemming plans to vote against the third reading of the bill (which takes place on tuesday) due to the fact that the referendum amendment was defeated. He abstained on second reading.