Henry IX

[quote=Petrina;471714]Thought I`d give some feed back.
The lobby was well attended .Difficult to say how many attended but far greater numbers than attended the previous rally .The queue stretched back a long way and more people were added to it on a regular basis as per the pictures on another thread .Could have been over a thousand .
The Methodist Hall was full up,couldn`t get in ,waited for about 20 minutes to no avail .It would be interesting to hear from someone who did get in .

I went in just before 4pm, no queue or anything, just one side room (a sort of lady chapel) and Hague was speaking for about 5 mins or so, followed by Daniel Hannan who made one or two people excited - he was keen to point out that people mustn't be too tribal in their politics (i.e good patriots from all parties who must spread the word) but also to divert attention from the Tories record on the EU ('people keep saying why don't i join Ukip, but that's not the point'). Max Anderson (a Swedish Green MP) was next, talking about the referendum movement there (in particular the cross-party support) and then the Head of NEXT and a woman from Global Vision... Inbetween Derek Scott (Head of Open Europe Think Tank and organsiers of this IWAR) spoke and, among other things, predicted the economic downturn in Ireland could help the 'No' camp...

Earlier on had followed the Midlands contingent to Downing Street in the hope that Brown would come out but no sign. Apparently Jaqui Spliff drove through - doubt she had a clue what was going on!!

Aardvark

I was round between 2 and 3 before I had to go somewhere else. 1000 or so would seem right. People were going in as I arrived and more were joining the queue as I left. UKIP were present on the opposite side of the road (I assume W Midlands contingent as Nikki Sinclaire was there). The chicken was near the front of the queue.

Brian Gerrish and friends were at the rear of the queue giving out Column.

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Britannist

If they are rudely ignoring your calls/e-mails then complain directly to the BBC Trust (formerly the Board of Governors) about both about the programme (you originally contacted the BBC about) and also about the fact they do not get back to you when you write to them or telephone them. You are being forced to pay the BBC (through the compulsory television licence fee) - how dare they ignore you. The procedure for complaining directly to the Trust of the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation can be found here:

BBC Trust - Complaints and appeals

By the way Matthew, Lord Stoddart (anti-EU: independent Labour) complained to the BBC about Question Time on 13.12.2007 (when most of the panel was europhile on the very day Brown signed the EU Treaty in Lisbon) - I am sure he would be interested in hearing from you (or from anyone else) who is/are being ignored by the BBC when they complain to them.

Britannist

ITV 1 News at Ten last night never mentioned the "I want a referendum" rally at Westminster at all. The anti-third runway at Heathrow people on the roof of the Palace of Westminster were reported by ITV 1 news at length.

Petrina

I agree ITV are hopeless at reporting anything to do with the EU,presumably their advertisers wouldn`t like it .However they are not bound by any charter to
have fair reporting .It might be an idea to contact them and point out that it has been noted over the years that they take very little interest in matters European.

Eric Wilson

To get media coverage for IWAR campaign it might be necessary to demonstrate outside Broadcasting House. THE B.B.C. would have difficulty ignoring events on their own doorstep.

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Veronica

The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation do not hold to their Charter, and have not done so for years.

But what does that mean, anyway? What if they did?

There is only one absolute truth in any situation. So what can the one absolute truth be ‘balanced’ with?

Another absolute truth?

But there isn’t another truth. There is only one absolute truth.

The truth can only be balanced with a lie, or a pack of lies, generally speaking. I would be very surprised if even the most comprehensive and complete pack of lies could stand up against the plain, unvarnished, undiluted, truth. I think would take a considerable amount of working out … far and away beyond the realms of the wooden-headed BBC News Editors.

So, in practical terms, in order to fulfil the terms of their Charter, they would generally have to balance one simplistic pack of lies against another simplistic pack of lies. (Both generally created by omissions, of course).

It seems to me it is either that, or face pretty obvious ridicule.

And that is, of course, precisely what they do.

‘Balance’ was, no doubt, good intent, but has become a very subtle subterfuge. A “No Man’s Land” to hide behind.

The only answer is to present the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And, where this information is not available, to present "We don't yet know ... we are still working it out". It's called "honesty" and "integrity".

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Baron von Lotsov

The BBC is a strange beast. It's neither fully on a system agenda and nor can it be said that it is in any way independent. I think you have to see it as a lot of people and some are good and some are bad. With the main headlines, well they are pretty much written by MI5/6 a lot of the time. I'm sure the BBC would deny this but they just don't know who is who since it’s a matter of national security that MI5 officers don't get named and so they can snake around our society pretending to be anyone.

So the experiences we have had with the BBC regarding ID cards, something that MI5/6 really, really want, is that the coverage for a long time was at best matter of fact, 'this is what the government says' and then being completely weak minded about making any comment that would suggest anything was wrong with them.

It took an exceedingly long time for the BBC to catch on to political issues but when the overwhelming majority of people knew that they were dodgy the BBC finally stepped in and made it the news. To give them their due, they did make up for lack of reporting and went in with a heavy hand eventually but it took a very long time and they were about the last media outlet to do so.

So for campaigning purposes I'd suggest you work on the Beeb bit by bit. Start with their local reporters as they are less likely to be controlled by that Stalinist grip others are restricted by. The BBC is almost like a different race of people and they do like to follow each other, so if you get one or two reporters interested than that is a foot in the door. (Remember though on Facebook nearly every BBC employee recorded themselves as Liberal. (Be nice to Liberals if you want your name in print!)

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Britannist

I think that the commercial television broadcasters such as ITV, Sky and Virgin (and independent radio) all have to be impartial politically in accordance with the broadcasting rules of the regulator, OFCOM.

Britannist

The BBC is the main 'mouthpiece' of the EU in the UK. It has been backing the EEC/EU since the early 1960s. It is in breach of the terms of its Charter.