sin 1

Hi everyone, I need the help of anyone who is awake to the real nature of the EU.

I´m trying to organise a massive campaign to get the support of everyone out there who is against the take over of Britain.

Hopefully you aren´t too jaded to give it a go. The website where you can sign up will be ready for action in a few days, but the forum is available now and needs some members to help flesh it out and to be on hand if/when we get newbies.

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Please do what you can, everything is worth a try.

Thanks everyone

Ea of Dune

Sounds like a good idea for a website, I'll go take a look.

Ea of dune

cassie

I take it you are aware that the 'Sign here for a referendum' thread (x09.eu) 2007 "falls under the responsibility of Diana Wallis, ALDE Group, and Jens-Peter Bonde, IND/DEM Group in the European Parliament, Rue Wiertz 60 - 1047 Brussels, Belgium."?

Funny how the latest delared policy of the Lib Dems (of which Diana Wallis is one) is to renege on their 2005 General Election manifesto commitment to support a referendum on the current 'new treaty' (never mind the next new treaty!) and to call for a referendum on membership itself!

Looks like flip, flopping to me.

david H

Even if you don't do anything else, this is a must:
(apologies if you have already seen this)

"Let the People Decide" - Mass lobby of Parliament Wednesday 27 February

Dear Supporter,
The I Want a Referendum campaign can confirm that a mass lobby of Parliament in favour of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty will be taking place on Wednesday 27 February from 11am until 6pm.

Within around a week of the lobby, MPs will be voting in Parliament on whether or not there should be a national referendum on the Treaty - don't miss your chance to persuade them to vote 'yes'.

Anyone can lobby their MP - you do not have to be an expert. You just need to be willing to ask your MP a few questions, and to tell them why you think there should be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

If you would like to take part in the lobby, please let us know by emailing lobby@iwantareferendum.com - telling us your postcode and where you will be coming from.

Details of how the lobby will be organised, and what to do on the day will be sent to you in due course. We will also be sending out a brief guide to lobbying your MP, including some suggested questions. Posters and banners will be provided on the day.

Supporters are also invited to gather in the William Sangster Room, Central Hall Westminster, Storey's Gate, London SW1H 9NH, any time throughout the day from 11am until 7pm, where some of the campaign's leading MPs and supporters will be making speeches. Central Hall is just a few minutes walk from Parliament (click here for a map and directions), and has a café where you can buy refreshments.



Can you help organise transport to London?

If you plan to come to the lobby and are thinking of organising transport for additional people, please email lorraine@iwantareferendum.com to let us know and we can try to let other people in your area know. It's a fantastic help in getting as many people to the lobby as possible.


Please encourage your friends and family to join us in what will be a fun day campaigning on this very important issue for Britain. We need thousands of people to come to Westminster and make this a success. Remember to tell them they can visit I want a referendum for more information about the campaign.

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sin 1

Yes, it´s only there as a quick snapshot of how other countries are responding. Campaigning for a referendum is actually pointless and self harming, thats why I won´t get involved with it.

To advocate the use of the democratic process of a referendum to decide if we want to be governed by an undemocratic entity, well it’s Orwellian. It’s double speak.

Further more it supposes that giving away our right to self determination is something that WE this generation have the right to do. We don´t.

mkpdavies

That's a bloody good point.

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cassie

I would have thought it entirely appropriate to use a democratic process in an attempt to establish collective opinions.

There seems to be quite a number of assumptions, perhaps even misunderstanding, about referenda. Unless a referendum is clearly set up as a decision making ballot at the outset (eg a plebiscite), its main function is to inform those exercising power; here of course it is Parliamentarians who exercise power NOT voters.

When individuals such as Douglas-Home, Hestletine and Brown refuse to hold a referendum on the ground of the UK having a 'parliamentary or representative democracy' and 'we were elected to make the decisions' (as I have heard of all them and others say over the decades), they are effectively admitting that they do not wish to learn and be informed by what voters have concluded, but that they wish to proceed with THEIR plans in any event. So much for 'Big Conversations' and other such gimmicks. It is but a short step from abolishing general elections and selecting those who will sit in Parliament . . . very similar to what happened up to the 16th Century for the 'mother of parliaments'! [Who now swallows all that hog wash?]

The fact is that 'universal sufferage' in the UK was introduced as recently as 1928, when for the first time ALL men of 21+ were able to vote! [You don't hear the feminists refer to this when they are promoting how hard done to women are.] Since 1950, when the British political establishment regained power after having been given such a rude shock in 1945, politicians have been working to dilute the effects of a mass electorate.

So we may smugly believe we have what constitutes democracy here and that the EU is undemocratic ~ and if one is assessed relative to the other that may seem true ~ but that is not sufficient justification for being dismissive of the democratic opportunities held out by having referenda and encouraging voter participation. Indeed, I have debates with others who say that they do not have sufficient information to express an opinion on (say) the EU or the Euro etc. To that, my response is that I'm surprised that they bother to vote in general elections when a multitude of issues are involved.

Opponents of referenda often say that there will be a low turnout. To which I reply that I'd rather 10% of the electorate (about 4.5 million voters) expressed collective opinions than leave it entirely to 649 MPs most of whom are bought off by receiving public funding in one form or another (ministerial pay, chairmanship and membership of parliamentary committees etc) and subject to coercion by party whips!

So if you think(?) it is slick and sophisticated to hold your superficial opinion of 'Orwellian referenda', I say think again. Whether or not you realise it, you are the anti-democrat! Surely it has occurred to you that EU-philes avoid referenda like the plague, quite simply because most voters will use the democratic process of a referendum to declare that they do NOT want to be governed by an undemocratic entity called the EU!


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david H

The Democracy Movement (Heavily involved in the I Want a Referendum poll campaigns) also has a website designed to pressurise MPs. Time is of the essence here since the vote in the Commons on having a referendum will come in a week or two.
Most readers are heavily involved already in various campaigns and might think this rather basic zxtuff but what you can do is pass on to others the website and get THEM to take action. The site's intro says ---
"Welcome to ReferendumList.com — a listing of MPs’ views on holding a referendum on the revised EU Constitution Treaty. It also allows voters to lobby their MP for a referendum by a simple 3-step process"

You'll find it on: Referendum List .com - Where does your MP stand on an EU Constitution referendum?

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