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Wowbanger TIP · 02-07-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by a swansong 4 europe

"We have talked about these "amazing times" before, repeatedly. You apparently have not been listening so once again. 9/11 + London bombings + Burnley + Oldham - Griffin - Collett - Sundry other Nazis = BNP success til 2006. Since then the Party has been losing support, in every sense of that word."

I am the listening type, I simply do not listen to unsubstantiated claims when I read them, and you provide NOTHING to suggest to me that the BNP are "losing support in every sense of that word". If that were the case, then they would be falling back to their pre 2000 levels of support that they 'enjoyed' for the previous 20 years, and they are self evidently not. Perhaps you simply have little recollection of the trials and tribulations that nationalist parties have had to endure for the past 30-40 years?

For example, in the 1970's the NF (which is a reasonable annalogy) achieved some remarkable election results but never won a single seat anywhere and only ever achieved ONE 12.5%+ election result in a Westminster seat, they also had a far larger membership than the present BNP. By 1979, the NF was seeing its share of the vote drop DRAMATICALLY, in some areas by 1-2 thirds, and produce an appalling GE result in 1979. It was very easy to see the NF support had collapsed, and it that sense, easily shown to be "losing support". This was self evident by the virtual collapse of support and membership that occurred after 1979. I know, I was there having come in unawares right at the start of the downfall.

I think your assumptions on leaflets have absolutely no basis in fact OR experience, as you do not seem to have had the benefit of either.

The present BNP is a very different animal, and your associations for the party to that of 9/11 are meaningless because YOU think it should have had an impact on the fortunes for the BNP. Why? It never had an impact on the fortunes of any OTHER party either, with the exception of the limited local success enjoyed by Respect and that was only the consqeuence of the following Iraq war.

The success of the BNP in the last ten years or so has been almost single handedly the result of the Labour government's atrocious handling of the asylum issue, its impact on the UK and the fact that an increasing number of Labour supporters have simply deserted the party for the BNP. Add to that, the virtual reformation of the BNP by Griffin and his supporters and the ability of the BNP to exploit the misfortunes of the Labour Party and you will have seen a total transformation from a party previously bogged down under the weight of Tyndalist authoritarian bullsh*t. That is it, nothing else.

As for a year/s involvmenet in the BNP, I was obviously right when I said you had no staying power!

Seriously, you think that a year in ANY party gives you the knowledge and wisdom to be able to pontificate about that party's prospects? I would be embarrassed to even admit I was in for just a year, let alone claim to know the answers to this or that problem. I wonder what made you bother to join? Over the last 30 years I have seen COUNTLESS people like yourself come and go because they assumed to be able to break eggs with big sticks and that everything is so clear cut and straightforward in the world of politics. Unfortunately, it is not, and there will be plenty more from where you came from who I suspect will be of equally little use in the long run.

I am embarrassed to admit I was in the BNP for a year. I don't think I've ever been more embarrassed by anything. No doubt you have seen thousands of people like me come and go in your epic marathon of defeats at the hands of the Establishment. But here is a radical thought, was that a good thing? Could it be that having taken a look at the "nationalist" political machine, as represented by people such as yourself, they decided they would better spend the remaining years of Britain's decline swearing at the telly and swigging back Stella?

You old skool boy's crack me up. "Listen here sonny I don't care about "tactics", I've been getting thrashed by Labour since before you were born, when you have lost twenty consecutive elections then maybe I listen to what you have to say. Now fire up the movable type and bring forth the parchment"