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Old 09-06-2008, 07:38 PM   #58 (permalink)
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OK, let’s, get to the beef in the burger.

OK, YCHT, To start with what plan to "collapse Britain’s financial economy", and by who?

Unless you mean by the former USSR funded left wing activists of the past Old Labour governments, now that I would buy, or the US strategy to break up the Empire as a price for aid in WW2, a little known but nonetheless recorded fact.

The impression that a whole lot of people have is that the EU is hell bent on “draining Britain’s resources”.

Although we are a net contributor to the EU at present we most certainly are not alone in that and if the market that is opened up to us as a result of being an EU state is factored in, and I don’t mean simply the EU, I mean markets that we access because of EU influence and investments on the real bottom line we gain by our membership.

It’s also worth just considering for a moment that we are not the biggest contributor to the EU though from some of the hysteria around that is the impression that many people have. Above us are Germany, France, and Italy with German contributions being damm near double those that we make.

At this point, YCHT, let me give you a little “pressie”. (you may know about this, you may not) and suggest you visit

Reporters sans frontières - Annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index - 2006

and check out where Britain stands on press freedom and consequentially press manipulation.

I suspect that if the press were not being manipulated to the extent that it is the understanding of just what a hell of a mess Britain actually is in, and what the EU really is all about and it being far more than the straightness of bananas, it would make more than a few people far less sceptical about the EU and a damm sight more sceptical about our government.



The reasons that we are where we are today are principally Brown running a “borrow and inflate the GDP” economy together with big business creaming their share of the action from the economic activity, an activity that Brown has inflated with such disastrous results.



Not by design on this occasion, by sheer incompetence and throwing good money after bad, not to mention paying the price to buy friends and influence by a policy that I strongly suspect was driven by big business and greed.

One thing as regards the US that must not be ignored is that they at least have massive natural resources. We don’t.



No, I hate to see Britain bankrupt, I am mortified at how our arrogant incompetent politicians have screwed the nation in a way that was hidden by the bustle of a hugely inflated economy and the economic activity that resulted being mistaken for economic health.

As regards the EU, up to ten years ago I would have done just about anything to help get us the hell out of Europe, and up to about ten years ago it would have been viable.

Very painful, socially difficult, but still viable. Just.

About ten years ago it ceased to be. Since then the urgency to get fully stuck in has increased and my concern is that this shower of bloody fools may have left it too late and that the next government may not dare go for full entry ASAP. It’s not a cure all / fix all solution, all it will achieve is reducing the impact on Britain of what is coming down the track for all of us as the global economy reshapes itself.



I don’t think either. I think it ‘s just that I see a bigger picture, a picture that I don’t like but that not liking will not change it by one iota.
"Not by design on this occasion, by sheer incompetence and throwing good money after bad, not to mention paying the price to buy friends and influence by a policy that I strongly suspect was driven by big business and greed."

Except for when you say "sheer incompetence" - these people like Bernanke are not incompetent or they would be sacked.

It is the policy of the U.S government not to budget - they are spending a fortune on the war and have a huge trade deficit.

But it is also true that the fed and Bernnanke act in the interests of the banks and corporations, not what is best for the US economy.

if not, why is Bernanke attending the Bilderberg conference along with David Rockefeller and all ?

There are many more reasons to back up this assertion like Greenspam slagging off the dollar.

The biggest one though is the fact that they are already printing the Amero as a new currency for the North American Union(NAU) when the dollar collapses - how do you explain that one Bear if they weren't planning for the dollar collapse and replacement ?

Have a good look at prominent people that have called for the abolision of the fed and you'll understand why decisions get made.....

Not incompetence but U.S policy.

As for Britain I suspect the plan is exactly the same to force us into the Euro.
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