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Old 23-05-2008, 01:24 AM   #84 (permalink)
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Do you not recognise how arrogant and demeaning to our ancestors that answer is?
that's not really an argument - our saxon ancestors saw Christianity as a superior creed, and converted, and became literate as a result (i.e. Beowulf). If I wasn't a Christian, somehow I doubt I could find much inspiration in the old deified ancestors as the ancients did. I suppose the main problem within nationalism is where people wish to turn the clock back to. Though I admire much of the Victorian society, I'd be happy with a pre-WW2 British society. Presumably you would wish a pre-Christian Saxon society, and I can certainly sympathise with aspects of the pre-1066 tribal society.

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You are obviously not familiar with the Old Testament and the savage punishments that are sanctioned by the xtian god in that part of your bible.
The same that can be found in European books (the treatment of Trojan infants for example). The ancient world didn't have time for weakness, because their survival depended upon harsh reality, and the harsh reality was that Trojan (or Canaanite) children would grow up and endanger the population (and in the latter case, possibly spread stds as well). However Christianity fortunately introduced the elements of mercy and forgiveness - two concepts I think have made us better than the petty warriors Homer wrote of - though no doubt you would reject them as weaknesses.

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They are both offshoots of judaism, all three are alien religions to Europe.
Like many of our ancient European ancestors, I view Christianity as being delivered from the one true God of all nations, who for a time revealed himself through the nation of Israel, but later revealed himself through all people. You are familiar with ancient worship, and you must see the connections and similarities between what you label as 'semitic religions' and the worship of the ancients. Only the Israelites refused to create a pantheon of deified ancestors. Pagan systems throughout the world have very similar concepts and practices - something that puzzles many people even today. The only answer to this, I believe, is to find the roots of these practices in the early descendants of Noah, the father of the Gentile nations (as argued very ingeniously in George Stanley Faber's The Origin of Pagan Idolatry, available for viewing on Google books). Christianity is not opposed to the ancient understandings, but is the fulfilment of them, which no doubt the book on Sun Worship you recommend uses as evidence against Christianity - but you cannot simultaneously argue it's an incarnation of European paganism, sun worship, and mystery cults, and attack it for being Semitic. If God did not reveal himself to the nations through Christ, as he revealed himself to the Israelites, then I suppose you can call it semitic, but how do you explain the many points of contact with ancient pre-Christian 'pagan' religions?

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The same could be said about xtianity. I recommend that you read Charles Morris` Aryan Sun Myths the Origin of Religion and The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity by James C. Russell.
They both sound interesting. Perhaps you could share some insights from these books.

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And the position of the xtian churches is that the aforementioned conference was divinely inspired along with its decisions regarding which books, gospels and epistles should be included within the canon of scripture-god`s Word!
You're both way off on this - Nicaea had nothing to do with the canon of scripture.

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It is a religion that places no qualative difference between the strong and the weak, the noble and the ignoble, the wise and the foolish. It debases everything that is best in this world.
Yes, it's a religion that helps the poor and the weak, and which praises the kind of philanthropic work of people like George Muller towards the weak and helpless. But, until the advent of political correctness, it never advocated weak statehood, or allowing our people to be subject to genocide and invasion. Unfortunately though, it is now the case that political correctness has spread throughout Christianity. Churchmen in the past had no scruples in speaking about the intellectual inferiority of the negro, for example, or the philosophical poison of the Jews.

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A people who will not literally fight for its biological survival and biological prosperity deserves to perish according to the cast iron laws of nature.
Yes. I find it interesting that the present genocidal assault upon the Western peoples in particular finds anglo-saxon, protestant Christianity to be a direct target for assault. The weakening of Christian sexual morality is destroying our people - a morality that in large part was shared by our pre-Christian forebears.

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Perhaps you do but you need to recognise that you are drawing inspiration from a work of fiction.
It's not something that we can have a realisation about - there is no way of proving either way that God exists or doesn't, or that the Bible is a work of fiction. Consequently we can only 'believe' our position is correct. I believe with Queen Victoria, that the Bible, and the Bible alone, was the cause of Britain's greatness, and that the neglect of it has been the cause of its decline.

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I see nothing noble in dying the death of a thief on a tree.
The concept of self-sacrifice, I find very noble.

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To what extent will you take this moral code, to the extent of allowing your wife to be raped before your eyes? To be beaten to a bloody pulp? What will make you fight Bear?
Who, apart from a few German anabaptists and English Quakers, have ever drawn back from the sword when necessary? Protestant Christianity is better represented by the likes of Oliver Cromwell and General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson.
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