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You are completely and utterly wrong about the Israelis attacking children, or not.
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Maybe I am, maybe I am not.
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When I was in Israel/Palestine the Israelis had recently sacked and looted the schools in the refugee camps and they prevented students crossing checkpoints to get to their examinations.
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The question must be asked why.
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The IDF admitted to dropping 24 x 1000lb bombs in 'surgical' strikes after they destroyed a family home in Gaza killing women and children and a baby -yes they got the old man who was a wanted 'terrorist' but they dropped a 1000lb bomb to do it.
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He should not have surrounded himself with his family.
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The Palestinian 'terrorists', some are killers, some are just politicians, are entitled to have families and to live with them, or do you advocate people in a 60 year old struggle to regain the homes stolen at gunpoint should not live with their families for the period of the struggle.
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If you engage in war and stay with your family then you take your family onto the battlefield with you.
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The IDF have admitted to bulldozing over 1500 homes (making 15000 men, women and children homeless) because they 'might' be used for targetting IDF gun emplacements.
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From what I have learned from a number of sources they do so with good reason. If you are on a street that has a house being used as a firing point or a spotting point then you have two options. Option one, prevent a civilian area being used as part of an armed campaign, option two, move.
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Originally Posted by Aardvark
They ransack people's homes at random, touch up the women to check for 'guns' (they don't always have female soldiers on patrol), they kill unarmed people who try to walk around their checkpoints within the illegally occupied territories (they actually killed a 19 year old Palestinian policeman who worked at the same location as I was working) and commit a thousand and one other abuses.
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I have no doubt that some individuals behave in an appalling manner but then, considering the appalling things that have been done to the Israeli’s and their families who can blame them? Not I.
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I have passed through IDF checkpoints and been f@cked around by the pathetic waste's of space that constitute the present day IDF. I have guns pointed at me by IDF 'soldiers' when I was in vehicles bearing US or UK diplomatic plates. The IDF target the elderly, the unarmed, women and children, most of them aren't big enough to target armed men!!!!!!!!!!!! Been there, seen it, done it, got the T-shirt!
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If you mix amongst dogs don’t ***** if you get treated as if you might have contracted fleas.
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Few who live and work in the West Bank for any period of time come back with a high opinion of the Israeli occupation. There is no justification, other than Biblical, for the illegal settlements in the West Bank, contrary to the 4th Protocol to the Geneva Convention. There is no justification for the Israeli law that allows the torture of prisoners, hundreds of whom are under 18 and are children/minors under our law.
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I do wonder what your views might be had you been on the Isralei side and seen the effects of the Palestinian random attacks against civilians.
Actually the West Bank and a whole lot more besides could be said to all comprise of Israel, as the Palestinian state has been in existence since before the recognition of Israel. It is called Jordan.
The justification for Israel occupying the land that they do? The Balfour declaration and what followed by the League of Nations and the Sykes something declaration /agreement.
Personally I think the whole thing is a mess and that much of the trouble there and elsewhere is a hangover that won’t go away following what happened at the end of WW1.
Nevertheless there is a solution. For the so called Palestinians to recognise the legitimacy and right to exist of the state of Israel, for the attacks being conducted by both sides to stop, and for time to be allowed to let wounds heal and trust be built up.
It won’t happen of course. The Arabs will never cease until they have destroyed Israel completely.
Then, encouraged by that success they will target their next country to return to Islam.
Any bets which? I say probably Spain.