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Originally Posted by Toque
(1) I spend an inordinate amount of time urging people to do positive things, you don't have to be involved with a political party to do that.
(2) I am on this forum because the negative campaigning, and the associations that the EDs keep which impact negatively on the English movement, are deeply concerning to me (and also, I know, to people within the English Democrats).
(3) I'm not saying that the EDs *are* racist, black or white or otherwise, but that their tactics are casting a pall of suspicion over English nationalism. That they enter into pacts with white nationalists to prevent the English nationalist vote being split is itself negative because it means that they are not setting themselves against White nationalists and arguing the case for a positive English nationalism - an English nationalism that sets itself against discrimination of any kind and views the English EFP as as much of an enemy as the British Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems.
(4) That the EFP fly the English flag does not make them potential allies with whom you can negotiate with a mind to converting them or persuading them to step aside for the greater 'English cause'. There is absolutely nothing positive about Steve Uncles' policy. It merely confirms the negative stereotype that English nationalism is far-right, a stereotype that many of us have spent a great deal of time trying to counter and dispel.
(5) If the EDs entered into pacts with far-right Muslim extremists I would be on here arguing against those agreement.
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(1) Ultimately, in our political system voters are expected to vote. You have merely resorted to generalities which, themselves, indicate that involvement with political parties is excluded. Therefore, I believe my assessment about the unilateral nature of your posts is valid.
(2) Another general assertion, which is a tactic so beloved of those taking flight from a valid argument. It appears that your 'deep concern' is such that you are bent on broadcasting your allegations as widely as possible. How can anyone respond to "the negative campaigning, and the associations that the EDs keep which impact negatively on the English movement" in anything other than a pantomime way ie "No, they don't!"
(3) Yet more generalised allegations! Were the same tactic to be applied to you, I've no doubt that you would take great umbrage!
(4) It seems that, in reality, you are doing your utmost to promote the idea of such stereotypes with your posts here! Interesting that you should raise such matters in this particular thread.
(5) Well, bully for you! Nothing like inventing an 'extreme' hypothetical case to bolster your own propriety.
Your approach should be seen in context. This is a forum which advises us that there are 4,603 members of whom 3,287 are active here. Out there, in the big, wide world, there are some 38 million voters in England! Out there, there are a plethora of Black racist organisations tolerated, if not actually encouraged, by those in authority. Out there, Black individuals commit a disproportionate amount of crime not only on their own kind but also on White people. However, you - a non-member of any political party - have seen fit to bat on endlessly about Steven Uncles actions or alleged actions in connection with the EFP, about whether he has had contact with the dreaded contagious EDP etc!
How many voters in England have even heard of the EFP, let alone know or have any idea of what its policies are? What matter, so long as Toque can maintain his pure and virtuous position? I have often argued that English nationalists should get out there and recruit voters fed up with the big three Brit parties, not try to poach activists from other parties, including UKIP!
I'm no fan of the said Steven Uncles, but there comes a time when one has to ask oneself - if someone hasn't done so before - what good am I achieving with this approach, and what harm am I doing with it? May I suggest that the answer is zilch, and that it is time to move on or pursue the matter another way?
It is down to the EDP to sort out this matter and, unless you are a member, your opinion will not count for much, if at all! You've made your point and, if you pursue your current course, all you will succeed in doing is the very thing you profess to want to avoid: the stereotyping of English nationalism as 'far-right' and exclusive!
Incidentally, since you saw fit to comment on Kentishman's difficulties with the apostrophe, permit me observe that we all have difficulties from time to time, including you - as you can see from the corrections I've made to your post as quoted above.
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