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Baron von Lotsov · 09-05-2008, 04:18 PM

There is a problem for them even if they were all 100% eurosceptic. This country has become so socialist in the last ten years that millions of people's prosperity rely on useless jobs, often doing not much more than promoting political correctness and the 'benefits of Europe'. £167 billion's worth of quangos, even larger than the NHS at £110 billion. How much of this is wasted though? I suspect at least half of it but that means mass unemployment for people too useless to do anything beneficial for this country. They can't just go and get trained because the teachers are too useless now as well. It seems we rely on 'financial services' to keep our country profitable, mainly in the City of London that makes money out of global monopoly business like ICI and BP and that sort of thing.

So we are in a right mess and what could a eurosceptic Conservative possibly do? You may say join the UKIP but the UKIP will not get the Marxist europhile Labour out of office on a 2% share of the vote. Maybe they should take a leaf out of Lady Thatcher's book. She made the British entrepreneurial spirit trendy. People got a taste of independence and responsibility for their own lot. Pleasing all the people all of the time, except of course for those socialists. It became a dirty word and synonymous with very long queues and poverty, which is exactly what it really stands for.

If Cameron goes into the next election as a hardened eurosceptic I think he will actually loose. If he goes in as someone who does not want further EU expansion and a cautious approach over Europe he will not be such a target and might win. This would be the strategy of a real eurosceptic, to firstly get the popular vote and then steer it once they have office. You don't want to make too many changes at once; its better to use a gradual approach and Cameron seems to be achieving this. The vote is very fragile though and it swings all over the place so it's much a matter of luck and keeping out of trouble until that day. Stil though he does make mistakes, e.g those idiotic green taxes and not promising to reintroduce the 10p tax rate. Mind you he seems like a good personality from a PR point of view. That probably buys them at least another 5% of the vote and possibly much more in these dumbed down times.

09-05-2008, 04:18 PM	#94 (permalink)
Baron von Lotsov Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 889	There is a problem for them even if they were all 100% eurosceptic. This country has become so socialist in the last ten years that millions of people's prosperity rely on useless jobs, often doing not much more than promoting political correctness and the 'benefits of Europe'. £167 billion's worth of quangos, even larger than the NHS at £110 billion. How much of this is wasted though? I suspect at least half of it but that means mass unemployment for people too useless to do anything beneficial for this country. They can't just go and get trained because the teachers are too useless now as well. It seems we rely on 'financial services' to keep our country profitable, mainly in the City of London that makes money out of global monopoly business like ICI and BP and that sort of thing. So we are in a right mess and what could a eurosceptic Conservative possibly do? You may say join the UKIP but the UKIP will not get the Marxist europhile Labour out of office on a 2% share of the vote. Maybe they should take a leaf out of Lady Thatcher's book. She made the British entrepreneurial spirit trendy. People got a taste of independence and responsibility for their own lot. Pleasing all the people all of the time, except of course for those socialists. It became a dirty word and synonymous with very long queues and poverty, which is exactly what it really stands for. If Cameron goes into the next election as a hardened eurosceptic I think he will actually loose. If he goes in as someone who does not want further EU expansion and a cautious approach over Europe he will not be such a target and might win. This would be the strategy of a real eurosceptic, to firstly get the popular vote and then steer it once they have office. You don't want to make too many changes at once; its better to use a gradual approach and Cameron seems to be achieving this. The vote is very fragile though and it swings all over the place so it's much a matter of luck and keeping out of trouble until that day. Stil though he does make mistakes, e.g those idiotic green taxes and not promising to reintroduce the 10p tax rate. Mind you he seems like a good personality from a PR point of view. That probably buys them at least another 5% of the vote and possibly much more in these dumbed down times. __________________ "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have..."