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Old 09-05-2008, 12:00 PM   #88 (permalink)
cassie
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I'm curious as to how a question can possibly be untrue.
Well, it can be but it's obviously a concept beyond your reach. You might start to gain an insight by re-visiting your understanding of 'untrue'!
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The answer to a question can be (but we wont know that until you actually give one ). Perhaps you should practise what you preach.
Remind me, which question did you pose relevant to "Scotland - Independence Referendum moves closer"?

I have never claimed to answer ALL questions, especially those I regard as irrelevant and, even more so, when they are just plain silly! For example, Does my alleged failure to answer some of your questions get your goat? and Does that really make you feel hard-done-by?

You have a penchant, unfortunately shared by too many here, to digress and to reduce threads to trivia!
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You are the one who is misrepresenting my position (in fact, you are completely making it up out of thin air). You would make an excellent politician. Sophistry of this magnitude is only welcome amongst their ranks.
More generalisations! I suppose citing an authority is making it up out of thin air as far as you're concerned.

I note that you do not dispute my assertion: "I appreciate that, as a Scot, you are hostile to that view."
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Now, can you please provide a quote where I was openly hostile to this view.
Can't be bothered. I've adopted your generalised approach - read up,
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How about the post I'm replying to right now for starters? It's one or two up from this one, shouldn't be hard to find.
Can't be bothered, if you can't be bothered to re-state it. Ever heard of 'Copy & Paste'?
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Read up.
Agreed!
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Ah, so it's perfectly acceptable for you to make up my position but not for me to make up yours? I love how easy it is to set up a trap for you Cassie.
It's all in your mind, son!
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Tell me, if Scottish voters said no, would England have to abide by that judgement (let's assume Scotland voted 60-40 no-yes and england voted 49-51 no-yes)? Otherwise what would be the point in such a referendum?

Note: This is an innocent question just like the Irish 'rights' question. Maybe this time you would like to give it an answer rather than making a massive post about nothing? Maybe you would like to also answer the original question whilst you are at it rather than calling it irrelevant. You make think so, but I obviously didn't - otherwise I wouldn't have asked it.
In common with many others, you seem to approach the subject of referenda with a number of assumptions. Unless Parliament enacts particular provisions to the contrary, referenda are merely a means of attempting to ascertain collective opinions on particular important public issues, with which to inform its subsequent actions. The results are not binding on Parliament unless, as I have already stated, the legislative arrangements make them so in any respect. [One provision Parliament might make as a feature of such a referendum is that another would not be conducted on that issue for (say) twenty years.]

Consequently, it is a matter of political judgement as to how particular outcomes will be treated. One of the shortcomings in your question is the failure to postulate the turnout in each ballot which may well determine what Parliament would do. I can only respond to your theoretical question in general terms. I would expect any question concerning Scotland's position to be primarily affected by the ballot in Scotland. In the example you give, I would not expect Parliament to take any action if only because, although there have been numerous examples in history of annexation, I cannot recall one where a nation was expelled!

However, two things would flow from such a referendum: (1) Scotland would probably be left in no doubt about what England thought (this presupposes a clear cut result); and (2) England (and Wales, for it ought to be excluded either!) would have had equality of treatment. Were the question to be about England's position, I would expect both Scotland and Wales to be included in such a referendum.
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Obviously such subtle things as 'analogies' are lost on you Cassie.
Subtleties are not appropriate to such matters. Your analogy omitted to specify the kind of 'vote' France would have: whether it would be in the context of EU Ministers voting or the EU Parliament or a series of referenda throughout the EU. Obviously, you didn't think it through. As you said above (albeit it facetiously) I would make an excellent politician - well, not entirely, but certainly so in some respects, I believe!
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I would like you to quote where I made this misrepresentation. An actual quote in quotation marks please. I never misrepresented your position once. I asked you a question to try to understand your position. The two are quite different. You attacked my understanding of the English language above, yet you don't even know the difference between a question and a statement. Let alone your poor understanding of analogies. Not going well is it Cassie?
Seems to be going OK to me! Why do you ask?
When you ask a question such as: "When did you stop beating your wife?" it misrepresents an individual's position. Accordingly, here are the quotes you demand: "Does that really get your goat Cassie? Does stuff like this really make you feel hard-done-by?" and " . . .your obsession (c.f. the Northern Irish 'rights' thing that you posted)."
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I'll treat this as a retreat on yours.
If it pleases you!
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If you can't follow the discussion Cassie, don't get involved.
You've shifted onto other ground now! Since you insist, I'll respond to your original accusations in kind. For convenience, here they are:
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(1)You accused me of misrepresenting your position (with no evidence) and (2) then you went onto misrepresent mine. (3)There are absolutely no double standards in my opinion and for you to suppose that there are is a clear misrepresentation of my opinion.(4) Next time you should ask what my opinion is on a matter before jumping to conclusions.
(1) See above.
(2) In the absence of particulars, I dispute this!
(3) I dispute this, see the evidence above.
(4) My conclusions are based on what you post here.
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P.S. If you want people to offer citations or actually be civil, perhaps you could extend the olive branch by answering peoples simple questions with a 'yes' or 'no' in the first place.
You might care to take your own advice, instead of trying to send me on expeditions to discover what you are supposed to have said or meant!


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