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Old 05-05-2008, 03:34 PM   #114 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier
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Bob FM: I cannot always follow your train of thought. Brown refused to allow a referendum because, he argued , the referendum promise was given in respect of the EU Constitution; which was subsequently replaced by the Lisbon Treaty. The latter, argued Brown, is wholly different in substance to the EU Constitution, he is, therefore,
not breaking any promise, for one was neither given or required, in respect of the L.T.
That is currently the government's case.

Now let us deal with the, 'Brighton case'. The Conservatives did not support that action, and neither should anyone else who resides on the right side of sanity. It had no basis in law, and failed to identify the government's stated reason for not allowing a referendum.
in the first place.

Stuart Wheeler is trying to establish that the EU Constitution and the L.T. are essentially the same documents, being separated only by a change of tiltle. Should the court accept the argument of Wheeler's Q.C, and the authors of the L.T, the government's reason for not allowing a referendum no longer exists. Certainly the court cannot order the goverment to hold a referendum, but the government will either have to hold a referendum, or remain obdurate despite the Court's decision.

The Conservatives only supported a referendum, certain that it would not come to pass.
Should Wheeler's case succeed, and Brown agrees to hold a referendum, that will pose more problems for the Conservatives than the government. Like all governments which have been in power for over a decade, the life of the present one will be of short duration come what may. Cameron may not be faced with a retrospective referendum, Brown, should he be really smart, will have one as a matter of urgency before any election.

Should Cameron win the next election, and all the signs currently are favourable to him,
and from day one the Lisbon Treaty has been rejected by the electorate, that will cause serious problems for the Conservatives. All three major UK parties are committed to supporting Turkey's admission to the EU. The other major EU countries do not want them in, but the US want them firmly in the EU. It is part of a US/UK plan for the Middle East. Coincidentally, Omar Ali, formerly a Turkish gentleman, who later changed his name to Wilfred Johnson, now has a grandson Boris, Mayor of London. Boris has always been an advocate of Turkey's admission to the EU. As I say, that is sheer coincidence, you ask Boris!

With respect, I would suggest that you think again, if you cannot see why a favourable judgement for Wheeler, will not present Brown with the scope for increased political options. I suggest that the Conservative grandees would not want to commence a new government with a L.T. defeat behind them. Those same people got us into this mess, remember.
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